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'Il n'ya plus de centre de l'art.Chaque artiste doit se considérer comme faisant partie d'un réseau' Robert Filliou - Eternal Network Dear Ana, folks, auto replyer, One of the fantastic aspects of the net is the immediate accesibility to the texts, sources, works, people. One minute search on the web is enough to acknowledge the context of a text, and find out that the Eternal Network text was published. One more minute is enough to overcome the impression that mail art circles were ever closed. For people with theoretical interest in mailing lists, networks, netart - the net will probably be a minimum reference. Unfortunately I did not find your text in the nettime archives, as it is very raw and inefficiently organised. Contrary to such net archives, mail art archives already developed archiving, filtering strategies, and methods for organise information. Art and media concerned BBSs, mailing lists owe a lot to the correspondence networks and movements, even the mailing list technique was developed in mail art circles, it goes back to the newsletter of Dick Higgins and the New York Correspondence School of Ray Johnson. Besides technical aspects, on the content level even nettime reproduced and interfered with many of the mail art and fluxus phenomena - intermedia, collaborative work, the multiples, the anticopyright movement, much of the netart, media art, visual poetry, copy art, censorship questions, radio art, sound poetry, fanzines, video art, computer art, alternative music, alternative galleries, museums, comes from the correspondence art and fluxus. When about bulky correspondence art materials, many theories and concepts cover them very well, mail art theories in the first place, but the library of Borges as well, some notions of Flusser, the palimpsest (of Hakim Bay as well), heteroglossic forms of Michael Bakhtin - his theory of reverse culture covers your original text as well - hypertext, and so on. When about legacy of ideas, would it be a coincidence that one of the moderators of this list comes form the American Fluxus circles, the other from the Advancement for the Illegal Knowledge group, the third close to the Marshall MacLuhan heritage - connected with Fluxus, as Marshall MacLuhan was first published by Something Else Press? The concepts, theories, practices and attitudes of the correspondence art infiltrated not only mailing lists, but contemporary art practices - the call for artworks and papers for instance, its morality, its rules. The idea, the illegal knowledge which circulated through postal network on a global level became much more known and legitimate on a larger scale due to the net. Though many things originating in the correspondence art became more visible, some still wait to be discovered. Topics, methods as well. For instance correspondence artists adored trash, crab and junk, they very much explored and recycled it. When about empty places in mailing lists, the squatters logic works, what's wrong in that? That logic brought up alternative spaces, alternative radios, alternative tv's, alternative art, alternative idea. Nokia is a spammer? Great! We found out! The Dalai Lama is spamming? Good that somebody reminds me the question of who the Dalai Lama is! Integer was banned from the syndicate, nettime, rhizome and infowar list at the same time? First of all we all learn that these lists were connected, their moderators control (too much) and they lack humour. Her messages are overwhelming? Did we know before that messages can mix private and public, did we know so much about private and public feed-back, did we question content, language, filtering before? Didn't we learn something about hidden and visible aspects of the email? Did some mailing lists die out? Great! New ones come, and we will find out what is eternal. There is already much said about spatiality of the net, many people explore utopia and atopia, virtual space, spatiality in general. Much less is discussed the notion of temporality, though some artists, theoreticians already struggle with this concept. At this moment my personal time perceiving is very much determined by the commercial s/censors of net-works, as the Hungarian Telecomunication Company lets me to work in the night with less costs. Robert Filliou did not wait the raise of the internet to formulate his theories, maybe we still need time, to properly understand his notion of time with the help of the new medium. Eternity is a religious notion? Which concept is not? bests regards, Anna Balint _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://www.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold