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(09/23/98).
(3+3+3=9) of 19 seats are functionally-defined.
(and incidentially the many innovations we have implemented
(Campaign finance reform in the U.S. failed, by the way!)
(Congress has two chambers, one favoring populous states and another in
(http://Name.Space-Beats-InterNIC.net/law/pgmedia-reply.html)
(http://www.mama-tech.com/boston/). We have documented the
(If you disagree, then I'm interested to hear why).
(If you disagree, then I'm interested to hear why).
(NB: Room change is underway.
(not necessarily ISPs) WANT new tlds.  In a free market,
(Note that Paul has a vested interest in having the new TLDs happen, which
(NSF Director) to Jim Fleming, (one of the new gTLD pioneers and former
(see links to letters, below)  A scenario right out of "Dallas in
(This small Interim Board could be increased later.)  In the Boston Group's
(which does mean changing the status quo!!!) or give up holding on to your
(without the quotation marks) in the message body. After you've
* 1st and foremost, confuses/sullies the dns name space.  Did I want
* 1st and foremost, confuses/sullies the dns name space.  Did I want
* a significant number of
* Adding new TLD's opens is likely to spur more litigation with respect to
* Adds no functionality.
* Adds no functionality. I can already get ibmbiz.com, ibmbiz.to, and
* As I see it, the only people who really benefit from new TLDs will be
* How are free speech and freedom of choice on the Internet being
* Join the on-line mailing list: send a message to
* None of the three major parties in
* The DNS.FORUM will culminate in a live panel discussion on
* The IFWP list has degenerated into
* There is no designated, accepted public forum for
* There is no longer a designated,
* What do monopolies have to do with the Internet? How will this
* What is public opinion about the future of the Internet, Top Level
* Who wants to privatize the Internet? How is it being done? Why should
*may* be defined.  Currently, two proposals for a corporation are being
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--do NOT be ambiguous about whether the
--do not even mention Sondow and his antics in any future messages.
--do not send any more messages under the "conference cancelled"
.com and .biz are parts of an address.
.com and .biz are parts of an address.
.com.tw for their local businesses? The UK is an otherwise very civilized
.net, .org, .art, .com, .media, .gov, .law, .edu
1) The meeting tonight is ON
1, any more than I believe that there could ever be a power vacuum in a
1. CPSR's sponsorship was not financial in nature.  No sponsor gave money.
17 joint proposal of those two players), the "Boston Group" (a group of
1998.  Apparently he was wrong.
2) It is not at the Cooper Union, but if we go there directions to the new
2. Klein's positions were not all official positions for CPSR, because an
2. Let's apply your logic to .uk and .tw; I assume you're already on the
3+3+3+9+1=19 Directors.)
3. Say we stick to ccTLD's because you don't want the hassle of
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                    7th Street & 3rd Ave. in Manhattan
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a different thing.
A lot of thought has to go into ensuring that the top authority effectively
a message as you requested to the cooper union people.
A single U.S. corporation has a monopoly over them. It decides which
a spook, should stand in the way of the greater good.
about 50 people present, but the fact that the venue had to be
about life in a desultory fashion. Therefore it would also be an error
about the letter, which could prove to be a very significant document.
abuse it is now subjecting them to.
accommodate more diverse constellations of user types.  On a small Board, a
accorded by certain categories.  These include: 1) geography (seats are
accountability and recall.
actually spoke is a bit naive considering DNS administration
added NSF's name to its suit.
Address SO, the Domain SO, and the protocol SO. Much like you will find the
addresses. Recently, RIPE has started to branch into the domain name
adopted.  These seem likely to be preferred by most stakeholders, who will
affect users?
affronts to the nature of the WP process? It is, I believe, utterly
AGAIN, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS EVENT IS CANCELLED.
against pgMedia, it must rule that NSF had the authority to direct
agreement between the NSF and NSI will end for good on September 30,
ahead with this, and quickly get people to focus on the event and away
all electoral jurisdictions, I'd like to suggest that the idea of using
All Newco by-law proposals also address money issues, and as far as I can
All three Board proposals contain the provision that the "resources of the
already exists (note the number of people who think internic.com IS
already exists (note the number of people who think internic.com IS
already exists (note the number of people who think internic.com IS

already taken.)  But note that this can easily create confusion among
also now see that the U.S. Government is apparently no longer going
also register '.zaak' and/or '.bv' (bovinian islands - can I be the ccTLD
Amendment as a "prior restraint of protected expression," then the
Amendment as is the U.S. government (and its current agents, NSI and IANA).
Amid the folk songs and soliloquies, the debate was not really
among the internet populace as to the difference between a .com and a .biz.
among the internet populace as to the difference between a .com and a .biz.
an acute observer like Jim Fleming, appears so compatible with their
an immediate financial interest in Newco's activities.  To prevent this the
an inflection point and the plaintiff in the case, New York based
An opinion is expected in the next few weeks...
and "educational/non-profit."  Language could be included to ensure that a
and began to make threatening telephone calls to the staff
and by-laws
and express your support for the event.
and government.  Since Newco is to be a private firm, its Board categories
and GTE Corp (09/11/98).
and he gave the distinct impression of wanting to be somewhere else.
And in two letters in June and August from the NSF to NSI, the NSF
and IP number allocation and management.  Too bad it's not running
and Jay Iselin, President of Cooper Union <jay@cooper.edu
and keep some money in the bank.  Undoubtedly, the big business players who
and management of the Internet.
and the other from a "Boston Working Group."  Different versions of a third,
and the refusal of the IANA to include in its by-laws provisions for
and the TLDs are trademarks, not generic terms...Great Job !!!
and then cancel the event at Cooper Union.  Everything was
and without regard for balancing various segments of the Internet
Angeles County.  This may contribute to continuity of staffing in the
announces its co-sponsorship of:
answers to those questions.
antitrust by virtue of the "Federal Instrumentalities Doctrine"?
antitrust immunity in their role as government contractor was less than
antitrust immunity!
antitrust laws, or the judge rules that the NSF's directive for it to
any type of user.
Anyhow, from what we hear and see on our travels, the larger
apparent "one-man organization", so-called "ICIIU", it is
appeared people could only vote FOR the new top level TLDs, not against.
appointed by the President.)  Other Board members were accountable to their
appropriate.  What number? The Internet Society's governing body has 20
are also consistent with the June 1998 White Paper's original principles.
Are Domain Names Free Speech?
are especially concerned that Newco "insiders" -- the Supporting
are only six days until September 30, at which time an Internet Corporation
are the top ones.
are the top ones.
are valid. Now this domain name system may be further privatized. Find
Are you on drugs? What kind of logic is that?
arena, because the writing is on the wall that people are fed up with
arranged and all parties, to my knowledge were prepared to
As described above, the Boston Group makes Newco completely accountable to
As executive director of Campaign for Digital Democracy, an advocacy
As his final shot Manishin produced a letter from the NSF's advanced
As I and others at the forum noted, the public interest/user communities
as the debate over these issues continues.
asserting that he (Mr. Sondow) would physically disrupt the
assistant professor at Georgia Tech and member of the Computer
At 03:13 PM 9/23/98 -0800, you wrote:
at any other level of the namespace just as long as (sic)they use .com .org
at Cooper Union, including the President and Vice President,
At Monday's hearing, lawyers for pgMedia were seeking a partial
at the center of events. In this sense I cannot agree with Jim Fleming
at the last minute to help fund the event. There were only
ATTENTION:  THE DNS.FORUM CONFERENCE WILL TAKE PLACE AS SCHEDULED
at which time control of the DNS will switch to a yet-to-be-formed
attack on the cooperative technology and culture that
Authority (IANA) and NSI, which was published on September 17.
away.  The three proposals have more in common than they differ.
ball and run with it, but he works "within the box" of the U.S. government,
barricades to have those countries open up so they don't force .co.uk and
basically consist of people the nominator knows and likes, lists made
be no 'privatization' of domain name administrations at all.
be noted that that part of the case was not brought up by lawyers for
be reserved for non-profit and educational institutions.
be the most logical (which I don't think it is - probably .inc would have
because (my one bold prediction, excuse me here) there WILL be confusion
because (my one bold prediction, excuse me here) there WILL be confusion
because the handing-off process to a soon-to-be-incorporated entity is
become possible with this plan than with the IANA-NSI proposal.
been granted a monopoly by the U.S. Government's IANA. They can
been in jeopardy after the government's contract with Network
been more appropriate), for us international people trying to make sites
behind-the-scenes power grabs.
being shared by all the contributing organizations involved
Bell Labs engineer) stating  that the NSF does NOT control the root
below.)
best shot is '.com stands for business, end of discussion' then please
best time to hold the event now rather than later, so a show
best way for the Internet to become self-sufficient.
between 25 and 30 and that 20% of the seats should be reserved
between an insider/functional model and an outsider/user model.  How much
between taxation and representation.  Today money remains a big issue. A
between them as basis for determining, that as a government contractor, NSI
between what we want or expect to occur, and what is currently fact.
board idea is not going to win many friends, with most wanting
Board include at least one director from each of the 6 geographic regions.
Board seats (1 out of 9 seats, 3 out of 30) or more than 45% (4 out of nine
Board seats (2+2+2+1+4=11).  That doesn't ensure that places like Africa or
Board size may vary.  As the Board size increases, the significance of a
Board size of 9 is too small to allow diversity (although the final Board
body.
body]" shall be open to public attendance, and "minutes ... shall be made
Boston Group proposed special measures to preserve freedom of speech.
Both Network Solutions, the company that manages the domain-name
Both the Boston Group and EFF reacted strongly against this, proposing
brand, is bullish about its prospects of victory. The two areas of
brief in opposition to NSI/NSF answers to the Motion for Summary Judgement:
business interest, sorry I mean holding on to status quo.
businesses and entrepreneurs, political and community organizations, and
businesses that register domain names (hm, sounds like you, Paul), and
businesses who can now get mybusiness.biz (assuming mybusiness.com is
businesses' attempts to push the new TLDs through by hook or by crook.
but here is a description of what I see:
But Jim knows more than I about it and he may be right.
but the megabits and megabytes of humanly invested time, creativity,
but why trouble people with that confusing .COM thingy
  But you just said that the unwashed masses only every cut & paste. Which
by Karen Kaplan
By making a .biz TLD, we are creating a
by the email list.  Unfortunately, the netcast and deliberation spaceHere
in France we'll be listening.
by the fact that the majority of the new tlds carried by
by-laws are difficult to understand, and the implications of their different
by-laws could adopt the highest standards for transparency.  They could
by-laws could define user-type categories.  For example, the by-laws of the
by-laws could set minimum and maximum percentages of Board seats.  For
California which maintains the Internet Assigned Number Authority.
came up with the plan. Because of that backing, it is likely to be
campaigning via a common web location on the Newco web site.
can take place.  Please send messages of support to:
carved upon world of man-made arbitrary and changeable laws, are placed in
case is over. It will also stop if the judge finds for NSF on another
case, and the judges and jury's  complete lack of understanding of even the
center.
centerpiece of its proposal.  Rather than referring to U.S. law, EFF
Central America will have any representation, but it does ensure that a
Certain domain name servers do not permit you to see who owns the name.
certain number of Board members correspond to each category. (More on this
changed just hours before the start probably kept numbers down.
changes?
charge?" and "it's not pgMedia, it's NSF." He said, by way of
                 CHARLES NESSON, Harvard Univ Berkman Center
chosen to bargain behind the scenes with IANA or NSI or whomever for a
class of companies that seek to profit by registering domain names.
                              CO-SPONSORS:
coarse technical issues involved).  So it's important to allow both sides
collective support.  If those recommendations are not included, then the
combined into a single consensual set of by-laws.  The combined set of
come to grips with the much more fundamental question of how these
comments on not only Jeri Clausing's article in the New York Times but
comments that you would like to make to participate in the event,]
commercial and non-commercial, which can be further broken down
communities should all vocally express a collective disapproval.  Today's
companies can only register in the coutry they're located, right? This
compare how the different by-law proposals perform these different functions.
Compared with earlier plans, the proposal to create the Internet
competition and innovation, personally.
competition in the domain name registration business, but at
competition.  Please do not take these lines of reasoning any further
completely unclear, which begs the issue of it actually being a place to
computer network to govern itself.
Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility
Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility
Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR)
computer technology ante, or paying obeisance to it, is not a proper
concern: 1) representation, 2)transparency, 3) rights, and 4) finances.  I
concerned itself too much with issues of representation.  Its concern is
Concerning the issue of what, if any authority or ownership
Conclusions and Recommendations
conference is this," and I think this disagreement has produced the
conference.
confusing almost everyone, including himself, as far as we could tell
consent'.  [If I misunderstood this, please inform! In any case, if it
considerable funds in election campaigns.  That is what happens in public
consistent with the libertarian philosophy of many stakeholders
Constitution, and of other things that have worked in similar situations.
Constitutional oversight and authority.  That bubble has been burst, in all
contractors that currently run the DNS submitting the plan to
contractors, and educational research instititions.  The medium allows
contractual and financial obligations to the University of Southern
control of the Internet, two of the most influential members of the
convincing, and as clearly demonstrated by Name.Space Attorney Glenn
Cooper Union Foundation Building
Cooper Union is willing to provide the venue on Wednesday as
coordination of $500,000 of funding by the likes of IBM Corp
Corp. for Assigned Names and Numbers would give more voice to
Corporation will not be expended in support of any nominee's campaign."
costs.  At the very least such funding would create the strong impression of
could be just industry and education/non-profit.
could include reimbursement of the value of a Board members' time expended
could it be to establish a posting board at the IFWP site, or
country where they do speak English (although with a funny accent).
created the medium for improving global communications for its military,
crook".  In this case, he is trying to deflect attention from the very real
currencies in Europe, the need for security and stability in Post WWII
Cyber Law Institute
damages, which could be anything up to $50m by most calculations.
deadline, we have seen three different versions of by-laws proposed for the

decided to unilaterally cancel the event on what appeared
decision involving anonymity and the First Amendment.
decisions about computer technology.
decisions about computer technology. (Witness the recent microsoft court
Declaration of Human Rights.  This reads: "Everyone has the right to freedom
declaration that "stakeholder governance" is a failure, and a request
defensible?  Please address my points above directly and evenhandedly, and
defined by Newco's first, Interim Board.  So-called "At Large" Board members
definition of 6 "geographic regions."  Really, IANA-NSI only guards again
degree of discretion.
delegation" on Newco's Board.  Each SO would control three Board seats, so 9
democracy do stakeholders want?
dependencies, he said pointing to the Global Internet Project's
deteriorate into chaos. Sondow's behavior couldn't do a better job of
differences between the BWG paper and the IANA-NSI draft
differentiation is made between user types, then one type may come to
direct NSI on whether or not to add new gTLDs.
directed NSI not to add any more gTLDs to the root and said that that
directives, which gives it the authority to manage the DNS root. The
Directors might represent more distinct user types.  For a body that hopes
distribution could be guaranteed with specific numbers (as in the numbers
DNS, enlightened leadership would take the form of scientific understanding
do so that the NSF stepped in.
do you have any facilities for voting online in place now?
does away with this.
Does National Science Foundation (US Government)
does not invalidate his opinion, but is relevant).
does not support the current evolution of the free-market directions.
Does the contract between NSF and NSI grant NSI immunity from
doesn't allow people to cast a dissenting vote on your website.  This
doesn't want it to happen. Apparently, they prefer backroom deals
Domain monopoly control, and user representation on the governing board
Domain Name or Web address. They help define your identity on the
domain name registry pgMedia, which trades under the "name.space"
DOMAIN NAMES AT ALL LEVELS CONSTITUTE FREE SPEECH
domain names.  Marcy Gordon from CPSR provided a detailed overview of CPSR's
Domain names. See above point. By making a .biz TLD, we are creating a
domains are "meaningless, contentless and therefore not imposed or restricted
dominate the Board.  This type would probably be for-profit firms who have
  Don't register under .COM/.NET/.ORG. You might use .us.
dropped from the right side of a fully qualified name. OK ?
due to expire September 30 this year. So in September 1997, pgMedia
Each Board category could have a percentage of seats reserved for it.  This
easier for non-profit organizations to participate on the Board.
EFF's proposal on rights also seems likely to attract wide support.  It is
EFF, in keeping with its civil liberties orientation, makes this a
effort, (Valuable content and services) which is represented in the flow of
egregious example is the rump gTLD-MoU's attempt to pre-emptively
elections.
electromagnetic energy across the system of wires.  The Internet skeleton
electrons (like the oxygen in the blood) through the system.
elements of the draft from the Internet Assigned Numbers
elsewhere? The fact that this hasn't been done leads any rational
embodied in CPSR's principles for Internet governance.
empowering NSF over NSI in matters of determining the contents of the Domain
end the confusion, OK ? Let's assume that ALL domain
end users and hence the marketplace.
endorsed by the other key Internet groups whose support is needed for
energy lies at the edge (the PC interface), and not at the center (or the
engaged in the IFWP process.
enjoys the same immunity from antitrust laws as the Government.  When Judge
ensure that different kinds of states all receive representation.  Different
entity that could grant such a request. IANA is a private organization
equivalent to the dilution of the Constitutional protections.
establishing such an organization do not even exist yet, and when
Estimates for a ruling are anything between two weeks and two
etc.)
Europe. What makes this different, is that the actual power to create the
Even if the IANA-NSI and EFF "insider" model were preferred over the Boston
evening.)  pgMedia's Paul Garrin gave a fascinating account of today's
event is on or off. It makes us look unprofessional and confused
event should it proceed as planned, as well as flood the
example, the by-laws could mandate that no region have less than 10% of
excessive concentration:  no one region can have more than 11 of the 19
exclusively about management issues might approve of this provision: a
exists, the mechanism to vote against the new TLDs in this site is
explanation that as far as he was aware, oversight is defined as
express an opinion on the issue not agreed with by the webmaster.]
extremely efficiently, otherwise you would be having trouble accessing
face was noticeably reddened.  It appeared as though US Attorney Haber failed
facilities, which is an antitrust violation, so it sued to get access
fact have the authority to dictate what gTLDs get added to the root.
fairly. The below points are all opinions, not facts, but that doesn't make
farmed out the contract to Government Systems Inc, which was
fatigue or mental breakdown, suddenly became distraught
features are not obvious.  In what follows I analyze and contrast them to
Featuring:
federal instrumentality" - something NSI says is simply not true - and
feisty dialogue.
Finally, start-up funding for Newco could present tricky issues.  The money
Finances
Fix NSI. Get them to copyright the list. I have the same complaint.
Fleming, because it contains what I believe to be an important point of
focus of the latest hearing, held in the Southern District of New York
Focus on the event and move forward.  No one man, be he a kook or
focused on the legal arguments of the case, which were:
for educational/non-profits.
for locals it's hard to explain why .com stands for a company. So, if your
For me the evening's most significant product was a call to action.  There
for non-profit, non- industry organizations. Klein says the
For your information, there is currently a voting mechanism
formal, publicly mediated process.
Foundation).  (Their web addresses are at the end of this document.) These
founding fathers placed the power of taxation in that house of Congress that
free expression in the political sense, with possibilties like "rudy-for.mayor"
free speech protections than do those of Deleware.
freedom of choice, all of which are potentially at risk on the
from antitrust litigation, but also the agencies of federal government
from Board service.  This means that personal or organizational wealth is
from Sondow's stupid and destructive behavior.
from the United States or Europe will dominate the new governing
fulfill their contributions to the event.
function of the net. Communication, in all its forms, is. Therefore,
functional representation by the SOs entirely.  The SOs have only advisory
functioning quite well with an astounding number of address variants in
functioning quite well with an astounding number of address variants in
functions of governance.  Governance functions are similar for both nation
future of the Internet.
general.
general.
Geographic representation is facilitated (but not guaranteed) by the
geographically and into specific domains of activity.  The
geography, and membership.  Functional representation is accorded to Board
get all these addresses straight," even though they're dealing with one
 get all these addresses straight," even though they're dealing with one
get laid.
given out reflects nothing more than a failure to appreciate the web is for
 given out reflects nothing more than a failure to appreciate the web is for
Given the importance of this forum, I hope that all parties will smooth
Given the lack of clear credibility of Mr. Sondow, and his
Glenn Manishin explained to the Court how domain names at all levels are
Good riddance to Mr. Sondow and the self-proclaimed ICIIU.
governance makes a lot of sense and ought to be considered as an option
group working to implement secure and private Internet-based voting in
group's "outsider" model, these Board categories could apply.  Percentages
Group's proposal only guarantees one seat per region -- even though the
groups in the U.S. have voiced, although it may be more popular outside of
guarantee individual rights.  And they could include categories to ensure
Hans Klein
                      HANS KLEIN, CPSR and Georgia Tech
happens with the IANA and the internic, which I see as a seperate,
has a long tradition in Board design.  For example, back in the 1960s when
has been privatized since 1991 when the US government first
hasn't paid its fees in years)
have consulted with NSI all along and it was only when IANA failed to
have never heard anyone argue against this point.
have never heard anyone argue against this point.
have never heard anyone argue against this point.
have no claim to mybusiness.com, then I probably have little claim to
have no claim to mybusiness.com, then I probably have little claim to
     have ultimate authority over the root of the internet?
having to decide what gTLDs get added and so on. Dallas summed up his
he asked.
heading
highly encourage all to do the same.  We need to make a clear distinction
HK:  Factual corrections:
hours by noting that the Southern District "has never implemented
However, if Judge Patterson finds that NSI has no immunity from
However, it appears that there is some disagreement of the nature "whose
however, like my car, I don't need to know how the pistons work to get to
However, there are no other restrictions on campaign financing.  This
http://name.space-beats-internic.net/law/answers/
http://name.space-beats-internic.net/law/answers/letters/
http://name.space-beats-internic.net/law/pgmedia-reply.html
http://name.space-Slams.com
http://name.space.xs2.net/law
http://VOTE.Global-Namespace.Net
http://VOTE.Global-Namespace.Netr Mark,No, the event has NOT been cancelled.
Paul, what does this mean? Is the event on or not? Anyway, I sent
the correct email address for Jay Iselin is:
The Cooper Union conference is an important event:
it may be the last
http://www.networx.on.ca/~jwalker/course.htm
http://www.seattletimes.com/news/nation-world/html98/inet_091898.html
Humankind has faced this exact dilemma before, but in a different time and
I am a female member of the great unwashed in technology that you speak of;
I am extremely unimpressed with Paul Garrin's response to what I felt was a
I can't express how utterly damaging this is to the whole effort we are
I could make more arguments for why new TLDs are not a Good Idea but these
I could make more arguments for why new TLDs are not a Good Idea but these
I handle the future you want to see occur.  I am fully aware of the
I have made various mass media aware of the conference and all (Canal +,
I looked at the page referred to below [in Paul Garrin's message], and it
I think it is extremely inappropriate of anyone on this list to attempt to
I think that you oversimply the need for names rather than numbers.1.He
I will not be so brash as to present any of my predictions as fact, and
I, myself, have not been at the inside of the Internet and do not know
IANA-Newco transition, in efffect "bringing the mountain to Mohammed."  On
ibmbiz.jp.  Sure, businesses may want ibm.biz (if there's gonna be a .biz
identified (e.g. a bank loan against future revenues.)
If I
IF INDEPENDENT INTERNET USERS MOBILIZE QUICKLY,
If NSI can prove that as a government contractor it has immunity from
if so, how can they be implemented in the context of the forum
If the US hadn't been paying, no one else would be keeping up the Internets
If these three proposals express the range of stakeholder opinion in the
If you are opposed to new tlds, please express what yourthanks for your
quick reply.
If you find another source of funding for IANA, then you eliminate the
If you recognize that the care and administration were all handled
IFWP Steering committee members have abandoned the process and have
IFWP to the financing of the newcorp by corporations like MCI and IBM
ignore some categories of representation that were proposed during the last
IL and Rome, PA and Rome, IA and Rome, OH and Rome, AL and Rome, MS and
IL and Rome, PA and Rome, IA and Rome, OH and Rome, AL and Rome, MS and
immunity is gone," he said referring to NSI's antitrust immunity. If
impacts:  a bigger Board has more seats with which to allocate, so it can
importance.
In addition, I am extremely tired, annoyed and unimpressed with some
In addition, I have no reason to believe that the members of this list are
In addition, I noticed Paul basically sidestepped my question of why he
In contrast, for the Boston Group representation is the main thing.  They
in Europe. They have historically made money selling (leasing) IPv4
in Manhattan late Monday were antitrust and the first amendment.
in March 1997 pgMedia asked NSI to add some 300 new generic top-
In my humble opinion, Paul's issue confusing email on this subject is a
In my opinion the best way to argue against this point is
In my opinion, the issue of new TLDs has nothing to do with competition or
In summary, it was an exciting evening with a lot of good discussion and a
In summary, the three by-law proposals currently in circulating could be
In the end, Glenn Manishin produced a fax of a letter from George Strawn
in the event, and threw a tantrum at the last minute and
including myself.
incorporates a reference to international law, The U.N. Universal
Indeed Haber said that the NSF's position was that the IANA should
independent Internet users who will have a say in the future governance
independent issue.
industrial dominance of Newco through this financial dependency.  If Newco
inexcusable, because it would be so easy to implement, and because Ira
infrastructure on their own dime.  The US has in fact been meeting its
innovation, and as I clearly stated in my last mail, that I see the
insertion tidbit above.]
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instrumentality doctrine," which protects not only federal agencies
Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA), which manages critical
Internet community (and this is a big "if"!), then consensus may not be far
Internet community jointly released a plan yesterday for the global
Internet governance structure.  I talked about proposals for by-laws that
INTERNET PRIVATIZATION:
Internet sites on a regular basis.
Internet Society include three categories:  industry, education/non-profit,
internet users (see 1st point), and increases the likelyhood of dns related
Internet users, ranging from casual World Wide Web surfers to a new
internet with discrediting messages about Cooper Union,
internet', the key to the content they represent wherever it may be on the
Internet, and they tell people how to access your content.
Internet.
internet."  Haber argued that "there's plenty of room for free expression
internic.net) and can only get worse with the introduction of new TLDs.  I
internic.net) and can only get worse with the introduction of new TLDs.  I
internic.net) and can only get worse with the introduction of new TLDs.  I
internic.net, internic.com, internic.biz, or internic.sex?  This problem
internic.net, internic.com, internic.biz, or internic.sex?  This problem
internic.net, internic.com, internic.biz, or internic.sex?  This problem
Paul Garrin wrote:Let it be clear here and now, and on the record, that
this internet
into an address book, or copies and pastes. No big deal. [Reread key
 into an address book, or copies and pastes. No big deal. [Reread key
invited to submit comments, questions, and criticism to the panel.
involved in. As you can imagine, the "powers that be" would love to have
IPv8. The letter contained the line the "NSF does not control root
is a perfect example of misinformation creation and 'manufacture of
is addressing, but I wanted to make one set of strong opinions clear.]
is inefficiency and a lack of vision I can well accept, but only as
Is it too much to ask that we unite in the face of these obvious
is it? Are we smart enough to deal with domain names, or not?
is not only the one in charge and it is perfectly within its rights to
is only a complicated rearrangement of wealth amongst those at the
is so that IANA and maintenance of the root domain servers can be funded.
Is that it in a nutshell?
is to get off to a clean start, a neutral start-up funding source should be
is typically a solution which comes from enlightened leadership.  Regarding
issues we are discussing in this thread.
It appears to us at Name.Space that after two years in the
it as an event that catalyzed the public interest/user community at this key
It emerged later in 1997 that NSI had written to IANA about adding the
It is clear to me that the internet population, and US population as a
It is clear to me that the internet population, and US population as a
It is important that people know what their "governors" are doing.  For this
It is important that those around the world who care about
It is my guess that the U.N. declaration provides even stronger protections
it is there...but it is just silent, hidden...to end the confusion...
it is, while the awesome power of making decisions which will have
it may be that they sense a serious treble damages antitrust award to
It may very well be that sondow's agenda is to fulfill the
It seems that Mr. Sondow has taken it upon himself to sabotage
it to be adopted.
It would be a great idea to have a more broad-based referendum
It would be a mistake, I believe, to relegate what may seem like
its becoming moot". Or in other words, that as the cooperative
its first amendment rights as well as denying access to essential
itself is just enabling hardware, protocols, and some routing software.
Jay Iselin, President of Cooper Union <iselin@cooper.edu
jeopardized? What can we do about it?
Jessica Glass of the New York Free Media Alliance deftly moderated the
JESSICA GLASS, NY Free Media Alliance (moderator)
joined, you can send email to  dns.forum@lists.xs2.net
Josh Rabinowitz
joshr@netobjects.com
July 20, 1998
July 20, 1998, Federal District Court, SDNY
juncture of the Internet governance process
just mentioned.)  Currently, a guarantee of one fixed seat is unsatisfactory.
Just trying to plan my evening.
Just two weeks before the U.S. government is set to relinquish its
keep certain aspects of communication private should be of vital concern to
keep Newco out of disputes over content control.  On the other hand, free
Klein spelled out the CPSR position on all this,
known to all.
knows is imperative on political AND ethical AND practical grounds),
Laboratories scientist who is currently working on technology such as
large companies (Press Release, 1 May 1997).  Computer Professionals for
law professor a Syracuse University and Hans Klein, an
lawyer for the NSF, Assistant US attorney Steven Haber succeeded in
least 3 members [of 15] who represent the 'Internet Community' at large ...
legacy IPv4-based Internet there will NOT be any new
less letter than the 'State' [TLD] in an internet address, and seem to be
less letter than the 'State' [TLD] in an internet address, and seem to be
less significant  (asymptotically approaching zero in the hypothetical case
Let a truly open and neutral forum commence!
level domains (gTLDs) to the root, which NSI refused to do, saying
level of privacy. I suggest you read the 1995 Supreme Court of the US
level of privacy. I suggest you read the 1995 Supreme Court of the US
level the playing field for rich and poor Board members.  Allowable expenses
Liberation, Le Monde . . .) have expressed a keen interest in the issue.
lies the dns name space.  Did I wantthank you for your opinion.Sorry to be
a pain guys & add to the data smog but can I assume the following:
Like I said, I felt that this call to action was the most important product
limit the influence wealthy groups to "buy" or at least influence elections.
List members, are there more reasons why new TLDs ARE or ARE NOT
litigation down the road. (in my humble opinion- see below point). If I
location will be given.
Location: All proposals foresee the corporation being incorporated in Los
long as there is a panel, or on a future date.  It is the
long-lasting effect on the world, its people, and its economy(s) falls
Looking forward to your reply.
Los Angeles Times
lost the rights to a particular domain name or how there should
Magaziner has explicitly called for such a development. How difficult
majordomo@lists.xs2.net, with the words "subscribe dns.forum"
majority of Congress current supports campaign finance reform that would
make them understandable, and I critique them on the basis of the values
makes the Internet possible.
manage the DNS root servers signed between the NSI and NSF in 1993 and
Manhattan
Manhattan Wednesday evening, that was supposed to be debating
Manishin responded at the end of the session that lasted just over two
Manishin to be not the case and not the law...as stated in pgMedia/Name.Space's
Manishin's move was the first the lawyers for NSI and NSF had heard
Manishin's presentation to the court had an "Alice in Wonderland,"
many persist in denying but which nevertheless forms a part of the basis
many stakeholders seem to think) the At-Large Board members will represent
MARCY GORDON, CPSR
Marty Burack, executive director of the Internet Society, a Reston,
may well be possible.
May. They were not seeking any relief yesterday, either monetary or in
means ending all those nice domain names like 'get.it', 'just.do.it' and
mechanisms to have the domain name transferred to my organization.  If I
mechanisms to have the domain name transferred to my organization.  If I
Meeting place:
members by reserving Board seats for three Supporting Organizations, the
members, leaving only the 9 At-Large Directors elected by the membership.
members.  For Newco a bigger number, say 30, could be appropriate.
membership remains undefined and is perhaps problematic.)  If we think of
Membership representation is not explicitly defined, but is expected to be
Michael Sondow, and the subsequent withdrawal of support by Cooper
Milton Mueller of Syracuse University spoke on free speech, trademarks, and
MILTON MUELLER, Syracuse Univ
modifications when it has become unclear to WHOM we are making these
Monday July 20 was not a good day for NSI and NSF.
Money plays a big part in governance.  To prevent abusive taxation, the U.S.
monopoly or spurs competition, and do so in an even handed non-partisan
Monopoly stifles innovation.  Competition sparks innovation.
months.
more "outsiders" or end users.  There will be 9 At-Large Directors.  (The
Motion for Summary Judgement
motion, that of its request for a stay, based on the "anticipation of
moved forward much, despite the best efforts of Milton Mueller,
Mr. Sondow, for inexplicable reasons, perhaps suffering
Mueller urged those present to accept the revised draft drawn
My concerns _against_ the new TLDs:
mybusiness.biz, either.
mybusiness.biz, either. (Note: I am not a laywer)
name server," although we have not seen a copy of the letter and
Name System, Haber fumbled through his documents and finally admitted,
Name.Space were submitted by regular net users from around
names (of any importance) end in .COM, OK ? Let's
naming system.
NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION ADMITS IT DOES NOT OWN THE ROOT
need for the market. I think that UN funding is appropriate, but I'm scared
need to join together to finalize this public interest/user proposal.  If
needed for start-up could be substantial.  Currently some particularly
negotiations between those two entities through the dissolution of the
Net due to on-going discussions among a few self-interested
Network Solutions and the IANA had previously been at odds over the
networking infrastructure and research division director George Strawn
new corporation ("Newco.") These three proposals are "IANA-NSI" (the August
new gTLDs and IANA had in fact told NSI that it - IANA - did not in
new hall will be given out in front of Great Hall (and will be posted here
New York Free Media Alliance
Newco proposals also have different categories for representation.
Newco's Board of Directors can be compared to the Congress of the United
Newco's charter.  Thus "every portion of every meeting of every [Newco
Newco?  Like COMSAT, should it be 20%? Or is the Internet more of a
newspaper-reading citizens.  The governance functions considered below
Next you're going to be claiming that "the dumb postal workers can never
 Next you're going to be claiming that "the dumb postal workers can never
nine seats.  Were the Board to expand, however, those 6 seats would become
nity for a plan for a non-profit entity to run the DNS. Mueller
NO ANTITRUST IMMUNITY FOR NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
no great loss that Mr. Sondow has disassociated himself from
nomination and veto of interim board members. This is perhaps the most
non-negotiable commitment to non-interference in communications might help
non-profit entity, it will no longer be relevant. However, it should
Nostradamus in question was saying there WOULD be new TLDs by january of
not abridge, most notably the First Amendment right to free speech.  As a
not add new gTLDs does not constitute a violation of the First
not an absolute prerequisite for Board service, a set-up that makes it
not misdirect the issue with bold predictions, spin, and suggestions of how
now.  When could we expect to see some running code?
Now...let's look at what we have...
NSI and that such a directive immunizes NSI from antitrust laws.
NSI attorneys Phil Sbarbaro and Bill Dallas didn't look too pleased...
NSI has done a fine job managing the domain name database.  The political
NSI or the NSF yesterday and so seems they are highly unlikely to
NSI's attempt to extend upon themselves the "federal instrumentalities"
number and address with respect to your domain name and does boo-f-all to
number and address with respect to your domain name and does boo-f-all to
number to ensure diversity.
Numeric IP addresses would suffice, since "everyone uses ^K to copy it"
NY, JULY 22, 1998 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
objections are and why.
observer to the unavoidable and depressing conclusion that a critical
October 1, I am sure that what appears as confusion to the uninitiated
Odds and Ends
of an infinite Board.) Ultimately, greater geographic concentration might
of At-Large members and SO-based members could be reserved for industry and
Of course the first one is really WWW.IBM.NETOBJECTS.COM
of Defense, this chain of title remains in effect still.  The handing off
of DNS issues.   We had a good-sized audience of about 50 people, four out
of five panelists, and the use of first-class facilities at the New School.
of functions, is in direct opposition to the interests of "the People",
of my own
of networks mixed with an understanding of human systems (linguistics,
of new tlds will in no way affect the use of any legacy
of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions
of support is in order to assure that an open, neutral event
of the bureaucracy that will probably involve. (And the fact that the US
of the forum.   But there was lots of other interesting dialogue.
of the issue to be represented even handedly and completely, and not to
of the new central Internet authority? How can we affect the coming
of the SOs' role, indicates that the people behind this organization
of the three proposals. The Boston Group's emphasis on users/members goes in
of these functions, not with the ownership of them so as
official CPSR proposal on all the positions mentioned does not yet exist.
Oh yes it does. In case you don't know, Internic publishes your phone
 Oh yes it does. In case you don't know, Internic publishes your phone
On a 9-member Board, that means that no region could have more than 4 of
On a related note, how many people are even ON this mailing list?
on Newco business.  Campaign spending could also be limited.  An upper
on preference for new TLDs with realtime update capabilities.
on the right side of the domain name ?...everyone knows
on their behalf.
on-going one and we would be glad to discuss how our online voting
On-Line Learning Series of Courses for October now available:
One allowable expense for Newco is to pay the costs that Directors incur
one fifth of the board seats were reserved for appointees of
One option that I think we need to consider at this point is a stark
OOOOPs....wait a minute...hold the phone...
OPEN COMPETITION OR MONOPOLY CONTROL?
operations and day to day management of new tlds, and judging
operator please?) and do so for each language existing.
or "war.free.zone", in a commercial sense as in "cars-for.sale" and in
or .net..." that's good enough according to Haber who added that the toplevel
or all non-profits combined or all of Europe combined.  On a larger Board
or was it just another convenient omission of fact?  It also appeared that
             Oral arguments on
organization and funding of it should not create financial
organizational anarchy among the most prominent actors in the present
Organizations and the President -- will attain too much influence.  To
organize a DNSO. Taking this step when the articles and bylaws
others?  Interestingly, EFF proposes exactly the same thing.  EFF has not
Otherwise, Dallas said the judge "you would become the internet czar,"
out how this relates to the issues of free speech, public access, and
out the antitrust immunity (or lack of) and the First Amendment issue.
panelists who specialize in the Internet, telecommunications, free
parody as in "microsoft.bites".  "Domain Names are the 'headlines of the
  Part of the reason for this desire to build a market for domain names
part of the so- called "leadership" of the existing Internet simply
participants questioned the very act of privatization.  Ronda Hauben argued
participating in the White Paper process.  Even those stakeholders concerned
Patterson asked US Attorney Steve Haber to cite the section of the contract
Paul
Paul Garrin
PAUL GARRIN, pgMedia
paying high prices for IP allocations from organizations that have
people believe that unless the old boys network is in charge, things will
people not machines. Private domain name servers can and will offer this
people not machines. Private domain name servers can and will offer this
perfect example of what I talked about in my last message, and I quote:
pgMedia president Paul Garrin was optimistic yesterday: "I think the
pgMedia's lawyer, Glenn Manishin - who has actually represented NSI in
pgMedia/Name.Space on the horizon should they lose on their claim of
pgMedia/Name.Space v. NSI/NSF
pgMedia/Name.Space, Glenn Manishin and Gary Cohen were well prepared and
place...the need for standard currencies in the U.S., the need for standard
playing with on the authority issue...IANA<-NSI<-NSF<-IANA<-DoD
Please call Jay Iselin, President of CU at 212.353.4240,
Please consider the following advice for future messages
Please do just remind us how we can watch/participate on line...
Please have a look:
Please keep an eye on this list, and if there are questions or
Please keep responses on topic and politically responsible, and please make
Please let me know what the possibilities are.
please send them to the list and they will be picked up by the
plus a few million more...
points I make, and bolster ONLY his case that there should be new TLDs.
points. He did not explain why you do not allow dissenting votes.  He tried
policy (most recently stated in June white paper) is "played out."
policy positions -- which she sang and accompanied on guitar!  (I thought it
political solution (the expedient solution) not the right solution, which
popular .nu domain (eg 'feestje.nu' which means 'party now' in dutch :-)
population (e.g., ISPs, end users, public interest groups, registries,
position as the "federal instrumentality doctrine," and the NSF's
position on the interim board.
power.
powerful conclusion.  I think that some day we will look back and recognize
practicality, by the absolute cluelessness of the political powers who live
Pre-existing contracts: The IANA-NSI proposal contained a controversial
precedent is Comsat, which when it was established in the 1960s,
preparation, and that its consequences were unpredictable to those
prepare to speak out together on September 30.
present behavior.
present slanted views as fact, especially in such a forum as this.
president/top officer of Newco will also be on the Board, so we get
prevent this the Boston Group's proposal eliminates those 9+1 insider Board
private entity Newco would not be as strictly constrained by the First
procedures for a high degree of transparency.  EFF included the most
process of law, creating order from chaos.  This is the sort of leadership
Professional for Social Responsibility (CPSR), which stepped in
professional is AGAINST the new proposed TLDs-- irrespective of whatever
proposal communication rights would be even stronger than under the current
proposals for functional representation give considerable power to
Proposals, 30 June 1998).  These suggestions are not incorporated into any
proposals, and whether or not whoever it is is even listening. We must
prosecution or that pgMedia's First Amendment right have been
protect privacy. Privacy in this instance is a business function. Maybe
 protect privacy. Privacy in this instance is a business function. Maybe
protecting the lines of communication, or at least, permitting someone to
provision could favor wealthier individuals and members who can expend
provision that would bind Newco to pre-existing contracts.  The EFF proposal
PS: [I know the topic of new TLDs is only one of the issues the dns.forum
public and private institutions.
public business from being conducted in secrecy.  Newco proposals differ in
public interest forum before Sept. 30, and it features many of the leading
public interest players.
public interest recommendations are incorporated into proposed by-laws on
public interest/user propopal are now also in the works.
public process and respond in a formal, organized, public way to
publicly available within one day."  In this way Newco's activities are
Putting my money where my mouth is, I'll present this very clearly and
quality to it, because, in his opinion, the real question is "who's in
questions are going to be finally resolved, who is going to resolve
raises questions about his willingness to even seriously address or listen
random sampling of opinions of users of this list is irrelevant except as
rapidly
re forgetting the whole international issue. While for you .com may* 1st
and foremost, confuse + PGMEDIA/NAME.SPACE BRINGS NSI/NSF ANTITRUST CASE TO
A HEAD  My understanding of what Jon Postel/IANA and the IETF want is
exactly
re is one of those complex situations. RIPE is a group based "mostly"
Reading them over, I am appalled. I would happily stand correction,
ready for primetime.  However, the issue of Net governance is an
really have a claim to mybusiness.com, I can currently use existing legal
really have a claim to mybusiness.com, I can currently use existing legal
reason many states, notably California, have "sunshine laws" that prevent
Reconciling them into one set of by-laws that can garner consensual support
red blood cells, flowing through the body or system of systems.)
regards the long term, not the short. In the short term, and well beyond
regards,
regards,
region like North America will not control two-thirds of the Board.
Register as a teritary of someone that does. I.e. ml.org.
relationships between those organizations, as expressed and analysed by
relevant to this discussion either.
represent "all major groups on the Internet, including individuals, small
Representation
representation and the associated problem of membership.  IANA-NSI and EFF's
representation, they endorse a lower limit, which would guarantee that the
representation.  Instead of setting an upper limit on any one region's
representative any particularly group that deserves extra influence, so a
representatives accountable to the American people (these Board members were
represents those who are governed.  Representation in the US government is
RESEARCH/PARSONS SCHOOL OF DESIGN, SWAYDUCK AUDITORIUM
reserved for representatives from different localities,) and 2) size
respective company stockholders.  What percentages could be reserved on
return.)
Review of Hearing (Editorial):
Rights
Rober Hawks, VP of CU, 212.353.4150,
Rome, IN and Rome WI.
Rome, IN and Rome WI.
s/sulDea
said that it was unacceptable to have the two government
said the CPSR supports the idea of a membership-based
same thing, Patterson looked surprised: "one man has this much power?"
screwed things up. We had a local politician that had an election web site
seats, 13 out of 30).  Alternatively, were the Board size to be fixed,
see, they are all adopt the language proposed by IANA-NSI.  Concerning fees
Self-government plan for Internet is proposed
Senior Server Engineer, NetObjects.com
September 30, then the communities should all vocally express their
servers!  Just prior, US Attorney Steve Haber (NSF) spent 40 minutes
shape the policies that will govern domain name registration and the
should get behind the Boston proposals
show the slightest commitment to an open process anymore. The most
Sincerely,
single Director may have to represent all telecommunication firms combined
single seat declines.  Instead of guaranteeing one seat to each region, the
situation to a confusion of purpose. This would be to insult them
situation where we are pitting mybusiness.com against mybusiness.biz
situation where we are pitting mybusiness.com against mybusiness.biz
size is not specified.)  quantitative changes in Board size have qualitative
So that is how IANA-NSI proposes to handle representation.  What about the
So, to summarize, when it comes to representation the choices so far are
So, what happens is that politicians, who live in an artificially
Social Responsibility (CPSR) proposed that the Board "should include at
sociology, biology, behavior, economics), and a familiarization of the
Solutions expires Sept. 30.
Some have also said that California's laws of incorporation provide fewer
some meaningless statistic to point to.
Some questions that will be addressed at the forum:
soon).  Cooper Union is no longer sponsoring this event.   See you tonight!
specific language, adapting language from the California "sunshine laws" for
speech protection may be anathema to trademark holders, who own many of the
speech".
speech, public access and privacy.  The live audience will be
spending limit might be defined, or candidates could be limited to
squarely onto their lap.  Ira Magaziner has enough chutzpah to take the
stakeholders.
start convincing software vendors that they can now hide
state with any authority what will or won't occur with respect to TLDs in
states and private firms, so they should be familiar to most
States.  Both are both the top authority for their respective "societies."
status quo should be maintained at present, while the government
Steve Cantrell <cantrell@cooper.edu
Steve Cantrell, Adult Education, Great Hall coordinator, 212.353.4197
stimulating the market (letting the genie out of the bottle which can never
structure of it is a separate issue.  Technically the DNS has been run
stumbling over his vague explainations why the NSF DOES have authority--his
subsequently re- awarded top Network Solutions Inc in 1993.
succeed with that route.
suffers from problems of representation.
suggested modifications, set the stage for a host of private,
summary judgement following a preliminary injunction request filed in
supervision and supervision means oversight plus direction, so the NSF
Support the Expanded Global Namespace--
sure you understand what I
system under a National Science Foundation contract, and the
systems can be used by a Net self-governance group as our technology and
TAKING BACK THE NET: FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF CHOICE ON-LINE
tasks are, first, to finalize a public interest/user proposal and, second,
technical and logical issues involved with new TLDs and don't see them as
technical functions of the global computer network from the
technical lawyers out of Boston), and "EFF" (the Electronic Frontier
terms of getting access to the root, it was merely a case of sorting
than does the U.S. First Amendment.  If that is the case then under the EFF
thank you for your support.
Thanks for ending all of the confusion...on the IPv4 Internet
Thanks very much for your interest.
that both industry and non-profits receive representation in sufficient
that he couldn't find it.
that improve service) is in response to the demands of the
that indirectly the public had a voce, so Klein's theory goes.
That last position, reiterated by many of the few people that
that the court (i.e. Judge Patterson) is no less capable of running
That the Forum will continue is up to the participants.
that the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) was the only
that the Internet should remain in public hands.  This is a view that few
that's not a function to you, but contrary to what it seem, upping the
that's what Judge Patterson rules, then pgMedia is free to pursue
that. I.e. let someone else deal with the political questions.
the .COM from users, just like the root level "dot" is often
The antitrust case against Network Solutions Inc (NSI) and the
the attempt to create a new non-profit organization to coordinate the
The Boston group also proposes a different mode of geographic
The Boston Group and EFF's proposed safeguards on transparency could be
the Boston Group's proposal is needed.
The by-laws could define categories for Board members, such as "for profit"
the chain of title granted under the Constitution and applied to the Dept
the COMSAT Corporation was created, 20% of its Board seats were reserved for
The Constitution of the U.S. defines a number rights that the Congress may
the consumer's choice is king.  The service that we provide
The corporation's organization would also ensure that representatives
the current Internet DNS situation and create a constituency of
the deadline for a single submission from the internet commu
The Defendants attempted to portray a complex web of contractual conditions
The Dept of Defense, under the guidance of the Constitution,A lack of
coherence clouded the DNS Forum meeting held in  Why do you care what the
TLD is? Everyone I know uses Ctrl-K to copy it
the directive was part of the five-year cooperative agreement to
the DNS that the IANA or anybody else - during Haber's presentation in
the DNS.Forum event, and persons connected to the event,
the event.  Apparently, he was upset that the credit was
The existence of the conference and it's issues are of international
The fact that the .com/.net/.edu domains were mismanaged by NSI isAs the
Internet governance stakeholder process approaches its September 30
The final by-laws might want to include funding and expense provisions that
The final problem of representation concerns sectoral equity.  If no
The first problem of representation concerns geographic equity.  The Boston
The focus of the U.S. government's representatives is on the
The following remains in effect:
The forum will not be held in Great Hall at Cooper Union.  Directions to the
The fundamental difference between the three versions is the definition of
the future.  I heard the exact same prediction in 1997, except that the
The goal of the three-pronged Forum is to educate the public about
the government and users and others interested in competition
the group itself continue to evolve.
The hearing on Monday, July 20 went well for Name.Space.  Legal Counsel for
the history of its central organizations. I can only judge events by
The IANA-NSI proposes three categories of representation: function,
the Internet and its future find a way to challenge this
the Internet.
The Judge is now fully aware of the shell game the "acronyms" are
The key is to focus on the designs, of the DNS, of the
The life (the value) is in the flow of the blood (the electrons, like the
the logic is already fucked up. Either _fix_ the logic and regulate it all
The main plank of NSI's argument is the so-called "federal
the Net for elections that will decide important issues of Net
the net speaking for itself.
the new entity should be expanded from the proposed 19 to
The original IANA-NSI proposal favored corporate confidentiality over
the other hand, a new location could help make a clean break with the past.
the past - contended that in order for Judge Robert Patterson to find
The person who has done much of the organizing deserves our thanks.
the position where their limited scientific knowledge is exposed for what
the power of the internetwork system itself.
The regulation of campaigns is intended to reinforce the principle of "one
The second problem of representation concerns diversity.  The Boston Group's
the SO's Board members as "insiders" with a financial interest in Newco (as
The sum of all of the energy moving from point to point is both
The three proposals can be understood in terms of how they achieve basic
The treasure, about which you speak, is not the Net itself, Ronda,
the U.S.
The U.S. government has an obligation to the public in the
The U.S. government was entrusted with the care and administration
The US government has set September 30 - next Wednesday - as
the US Government may have of the internet's root:
the US President, who being elected by the US people, meant
the whole process we are presenting witnessing, from the bilateral
the world, that a substantial number of internet _users_
their emphasis on transparency.
their feathers and work together in the public interest.
them any less true, just more accurate.
them, when, and what we are going to do if we are given the wrong
themselves, whose private deal, and subsequent failure to rejoin the
there are proposals on the table which advance very different concepts
there is no scramble/land grab for domain names, and no confusion about
there WILL be new tlds-
There's Las Vegas, NM, and Las Vegas, NV.
There's Las Vegas, NM, and Las Vegas, NV.
There's Rome, NY and Rome, GA, and Rome, OR and Rome IY [Italy] and Rome,
There's Rome, NY and Rome, GA, and Rome, OR and Rome IY [Italy] and Rome,
Therefore, in the transition to Newco some protections of speech could be lost.
These are Top Level Domains (TLDs), the critical part of your Internet
these essential functions from exactly the kind of
These two modes of representation are not above criticism.  Both of them
THEY CAN BE PART OF THIS HISTORIC DEBATE
this attempt at pre-emption was in fact spawned by IANA and NSI
this direction, but does not reserve a specific number of Board seats for
This is of great consumer benefit and provides a vital service when the
this process (IANA, NSI, and the remnants of the old ISOC/gTLD-MoU)
This process occurred all within an arena of implied control and
THIS RETRACTION HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED BY OTHER CONFERENCE ORGANIZERS.
This site, which does not allow users to cast a dissent nor an abstention,
This was your best shot? You need to get a life, or maybe you just need to
through any media and regardless of frontiers."  Neither IANA-NSI nor the
throwing up off-the-top-of-the-head lists of board members, lists that
tied to questions and issues, in this case as related to DNS
times degenerated into long, drawn out tales of how individuals
TLD), but is that good for consumers OR ibm? If there is no .biz TLD, then
TLDs. You are right !! You win !! .COM is the king !! Let's
to argue FOR IT. Let's go ahead and agree that on the
to be a self-indulgent, capricious whim.
to commercialize the Internet called CommerceNet in 1994, was a means of
to confuse my argument by mixing the concepts of new TLDs with monopoly and
to cut the number of seats from 19, not increase it. Klein also
to give them to its chosen corporate cronies.
to imagine that what is happening today had not been in long
to Jim Fleming of Unir Corp and an apparent supporter of pgMedia, who
to represent all the world's Internet users a larger Board might well be
to speak to his client or was unaware of his client's past correspondences...
to support these monopolistic arrangements. As a result, RIPE clearly
to the people who are against the new TLDs.
to the root, as well as suing for damages.
to the USG to resolve the last set of conflicts and problems via a
tonight?
top if one views organizations in the traditional hierarchical way).
transfer of the IANA and internic authorites as independent of the new TLD
translating .com into all languages. Then surely you're going to make sure
Transparency
transparency.  Some meetings were to be closed, minutes would be distributed
U.S. and to the International community to be protecting
U.S. regime.
ultimately be outsiders looking in at Newco's activities.  These provisions
under .net. He clearly wasn't an ISP. I have been travelling for three days
and returned to 359 emails about
under no obligation to use new tlds, and the introcudtion
under the umbrella of U.S. Constitutional protections, handed down through
unfortunate. However, it isn't strictly "commercial" interests that have
Unfortunately, our Electronic Voting System(tm)(EVS)(tm) is not yet
unilateral retraction posted on the net.
Union.
University of Southern California's Information Sciences Institute,
unjustifiably with the blame of confusion. They are not people who go
unless you are willing to spell out how adding new TLDs actually breaks a
up by the Boston Working Group earlier this week, which changed
US Federal Court, Southern District NY,
used it to save lives in Indonesia of late. That this feature might upset
useless to be talking about specific names or specific by-law
users/outsiders, granting the SOs only advisory status.  But this proposal
Va.-based organization representing users around the globe.
valuable electromagnetic energy to flow which is the lifeblood of both
verifying that belief in the minds of many observers. We HAVE to go
version the Board represents only users.  Thus this proposal does away with
very even handed criticism of his 'TLD vote' web site and the issue as a
view on the relationship between the IANA and NSI, a relationship that
violated, then the case will continue. The lead attorney for NSI
Walking directions will be available at Foundation Bldg.)
want to achieve influence via pre-emption rather than consensus. But
was going to be weird, but it turned out to be a real high point of the
was the most representative of the citizens, maximizing the relationship
way.
we care?
we have not yet been able to track down. Fleming is an ex-Bell
we NOW have over 2 million TLDs...YES, much less confusing
wealthy stakeholders have offered to donate money to cover its initial
website involves the safety of lives, such as the hapless creatures who
Wednesday night's User Forum was a great success!  Despite the logistical
Wednesday, September 23, 1998, from 7:00pm to 10:00pm, with
what I see. But it is interesting that the history of the
What needs to be protected are the rights of access to the flow of
WHAT YOU CAN DO: THE DNS.FORUM
what's this ?...some more ?...How can this be ?
Whatever side things have happened with NSI more recently has been
when he says that no one can know what life will be like after October
When new tlds are added--and there WILL be new tlds--
where people can be selected out of the view of the broader public
whether or not ibm.com == ibm.biz.
Whew!
Which brings me to my next point:
which can be summed up by insisting that the interim board of
which he characterized the IANA and Jon Postel as being one and the
which is attempting to play a high stakes game of political hot potato with
which is needed if the process is to be built upon a solid foundation.
which is the world in which you choose to live?  I prefer
which little states have equal power.)  These categories of representation
While most people people discussed *how* to privatize the Internet, some
whole, is not informed enough about computer issues to make rational
whole, is not informed enough about computer issues to make rational
whole.  Paul, did not address my issues and only tried to misdirect my
Why do you care what the TLD is? Everyone I know uses Ctrl-K to copy it
widely accepted, PUBLIC forum for modification of the draft articles
widely circulated, one from today's government contractors (IANA and NSI)
will be elected by some kind of membership (where the definition of
will not be available this time due to the disruption of the event by
will pay these fees will keep a close eye on them.
William Dallas of the New York law firm of Sullivan & Cromwell, said
WITH A CHANGE OF VENUE:  THE NEW SCHOOL FOR SOCIAL
with rights (below).
with some delay, etc.  Overall, Newco could operate with a fairly high
within their own box of "command and control", which is being undermined by
Without an agreement, future development of the Internet could have
without any regard to geographical representation (which any fool
without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas
Wonderland" (as in NSI's attorney Bill Dallas) and equally as fantastic.
words we use.  (Don't have a cow!)
working for them. NSI also suggested to Judge Patterson that the
working under a government contract. pgMedia said NSI was infringing
world like the Internet where so many are greedy for power. That there
would ensure public interest representation on the new organization's Board.
WWW.ATT
WWW.ATT.NETOBJECTS
WWW.IBM
WWW.IBM.NETOBJECTS
WWW.INTERNIC
WWW.MCDONALDS
WWW.MCDONALDS.NETOBJECTS
WWW.MICROSOFT
WWW.MICROSOFT.NETOBJECTS
WWW.NETOBJECTS
year.  In 1997 the Domain Name Rights Coalition proposed that the Board
YEP !!!....no confusion here...Mr. Rabinowitz has ended it...
You are right. We don't need TLDs.
You can get involved right now by joining DNS.FORUM, where you can help
you can still use the legacy ones as you like.  You are
you may participate online the old-fashioned way...To the Forum,
You see, you're defending status quo by explaining the logic of it. I say
You'I am re-posting this to the dns.forum list, with the permission of Jim
you.
your obviously Mr. Tidy-Bowl Idea of how DNS names should be arranged and
zig-zags most people found the hall and contributed to a lively discussion
[Also, re-reread key insertion tidbit above.]
[and who] should be free from direct financial interests..." (CPSR
[person] one vote" and weaken the principle of "one dollar one vote."
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