Paul.Treanor on Mon, 14 Oct 96 14:33 MET |
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Re: nettime: Sabine Helmers: xs4all and xs2all |
I find the contents of this message very strange. Ron Gonggrijp of xs4all once told me they cut off any person who criticies racism of Dutch businesses, if the business requests in court. I have no reason to think this has changed. The point is xs4all censors, so it is not logical to say xs4all is against censorship. Let me give a very clear example. If I use xs4all to repeat certain information about Philips, the second largest company in the Netherlands, will xs4all censor it? The information, which has been circulating for years, is the story of how Philips, during the German occupation, used the Sicherheitsdienst to get rid of trade union activists. Anyone who repeats this story in public is attacked with the full force of Philips legal department. If xs4all circulate the story, which they can not prove in court, they will probably become bankrupt because of the financial claims by Philips. So, the easy thing to do, is to do what Philips asks - cut off any document which repeats this story. If xs4all are prepared to fight a claim by Philips, to defend my right to repeat this story via xs4all, then let them say so. Of course they are not. And similarly, they do not want to risk any other claim by businesses. There is therefore no reason for xs4all to claim any hero status. Their own policy is in principle no different from that of the public prosecutors office in Germany. In order to preserve their own interests, in this case the survival of the organisation, the transmission of certain texts is blocked. Similarly, Sabine Helmers once refused to include a link to any of my texts on the WZB collection of texts about electronic communication. WZB is a German government institution, entirely controlled by persons appointed by Land and federal governments. It represents the German nation state just as much as the legal authorities. It too, has a policy concerning what is acceptable and what is not. All organisations censor. All organisations favour censorship, including the EFF. The EFF will not protest if xs4all refuses me access, the EFF did not and will not protest if the WZB excludes my anti-Net texts. All the EFF will do in such cases is to say: that is not censorship. And of course that is exactly what the authorities will say about the Radikal case: that is not censorship, it is a public order question, it is a violence question, it is a terrorist question, etcetera. In other words, they do exactly what xs4all, the EFF, and the WZB do: change their definition of censorship to allow themselves to censor. In other words, the whole thing is a non-issue, just word games. Paul Treanor -- * distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission * <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism, * collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets * more info: majordomo@is.in-berlin.de and "info nettime" in the msg body * URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner@is.in-berlin.de