Re: <nettime> Help! [3x]

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     intertwilight <kovats@intertwilight.net>                                        

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     Ian Dickson <ian@iand.demon.co.uk>                                              

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     "porculus" <porculus@wanadoo.fr>                                                



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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:15:26 +0200
From: intertwilight <kovats@intertwilight.net>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Help!


Dear Doug, 

this is quite a thread  you're threatening ... perhaps your profs should
revisit any major art event of the past ... 30, 40 or ... 80 years? Perhaps
they should think of the arts of telecommunications as really the art of
Modernism (wireless technology, medium is message, open systems ...) perhaps
take a short bumble along the infra-thin ... ? Perhaps they are only
challenging you to define your stance on modernism as a space within
telecommunications?

- -s 

>  hi,
>  
>  I have been a great fan of nettime for a number of years but never
>  contributed. I am currently writing a Masters dissertation on Bob
>  Adrians World in 24Hrs and would like to start a thread to help me
>  through the angst I am suffering. My profs at university are adament

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:39:40 +0100
From: Ian Dickson <ian@iand.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Help!

In message <200404191811.i3JIB9D09845@bbs.thing.net>, DOUGLAS LEMAN 
<doug@belper.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>   hi,
>
>   I have been a great fan of nettime for a number of years but never
>   contributed. I am currently writing a Masters dissertation on Bob
>   Adrians World in 24Hrs and would like to start a thread to help me
>   through the angst I am suffering. My profs at university are adament

[...]

What is, or is not art is ALWAYS in the eye of the beholder.

If you think that telecommunications art is Art, then write about it.

But equally there is nothing wrong in the Profs thinking you wrong.

(Maybe they have read your work and since you argue that
telecommunications art is the pinnacle of the dissolution of the art
object they are one step ahead of you in spotting that the pinnacle of
dissolution implies that there is nothing there, hence no art object,
hence whatever it is that you are writing about, it isn't art:-)

It seems to me that you are now facing the dilemma that faces many artists
- if you cannot convince them then in going beyond the bounds laid down by
your superiors you have to risk rejection, which, if you are in fact
right, will lead to a long and rocky road and your eventual elevation to
heroic champion status and a professorship in Telecommunications Art.

Your other best option is to find a different institution.

Or move to a self developed PhD. (It can be done. A father of a friend of
mine was an engineer who spent many years studying one type marine snail,
for fun, and wrote up his work and was awarded a Doctorate from a UK Uni).

In artist terms - your existing audience doesn't understand you (think
"county set"). You can argue with them, probably fruitlessly, but better
find an audience that does (think "hip urban"). If of course you can't
find such an audience then you are either wrong, end of story, or possibly
Van Gogh, and posthumous fame as the father of Telecommunications Art
awaits.

I think option 2 is the one that, if you can do it, leads to maximum 
happiness:-)

Good luck!
- -- 
ian dickson                                  www.commkit.com
phone +44 (0) 1452 862637                    fax +44 (0) 1452 862670
PO Box 240, Gloucester, GL3 4YE, England

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:23:53 +0200
From: "porculus" <porculus@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Help!

>   This relates to theories of Rhizomes in the form of
>    Felix/Guattari, and the 'open work' by Umberto Eco.


if you would mean 'postmodern' in saying rhizome is as much declassified
freiheit logos for being used as rumzfeld rethoric as for instance you would
say it's time UN guys take some lead in their ass in bagdad at their turn, i
agree, after all imagine just a second all deleuzian tools were already worn
out by an odiouz netart list whom motive were to destruct in mass all humor
& funny zingz for promoting oafy & ugly undertaker of anythingz that could
become even a beginning of something democratic..hey dont believe i have
lesson to give but i have heard one used & juged of wealthy  trouts in clear
& good water supplying why not to go to the whole hog in this electronical
flux. or you live high or not


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