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   Re: <nettime> Im writing this paper and need your help                          
     spornitz@mts.net                                                                

   Re: <nettime> p2p paper help / open nfo archives vol. 2                         
     noci <nochi@gmx.net>                                                            



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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:09:07 -0600 (CST)
From: spornitz@mts.net
Subject: Re: <nettime> Im writing this paper and need your help

Comments interjected.

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>Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:28:37 +0100
>From: ". __ ." <mail_box@gmx.net>
>Subject: p2p ideas...
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>Hey all,

Hey.


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>a little Brainstorming from all of you would be great... just doing a
>paper for university...
>

You've come to the right place: Brainstorms are Us.



>- - Statements to actual p2p developments (more than 4 letter words : )
...

I'm sorry; I don't know what this means. The actual developments?


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>- - Interesting links Links, Innovations (eg TunA from the Europe Media
Lab, Stream-Intercepts) ...


Interesting innovation: a phone that would visually display the contents of
the number-based menu structure being dictated to you so you could find
your way around. Phone's are <i>extremely</i> p2p, after all.



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>- - Strategies against the music industry

Play professionally for a couple years.



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>- - p2p as social and democratic phenomenon ?


Going for coffee.


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>- - Is lobbying against the music industry possible ?

I don't know what this means. Can millions of people stop buying CD's from
major labels and their subsidiaries? That might get their attention.



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>- - Do you think it possible to organize users ?

As a software developer, no. Never.



>
>- - Now that they crushed centralized structures, do you think the music
industry has lost?

They've only just started.



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>- - How to protect the new decentralized p2p nets (zB
Encryption,Anonymizer-Blackboxes?! ...)

Be brave!



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>- - Will Universities back their students or not...

The students are the one's paying; they are the customer. They should
exercise their rights.



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>- - Alternative ways for the music industry to make money without
>criminalizing their users (eg iTunes and iPod)
>

Selling Crack Cocaine.



>... and everything else that might come to your mind...

Well, now that you asked, I did wonder how many Howard Dean meetups were
happening (on Jan 7) _outside_ the United States (I know there's one here
in Winnipeg) .....



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>Thx and Cheers,
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>g



No problem.

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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:27:18 +0100
From: noci <nochi@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: <nettime> p2p paper help / open nfo archives vol. 2 


[ramble mode ON]

> a little Brainstorming from all of you would be great... just doing a
> paper for university...
> 
> - - Statements to actual p2p developments (more than 4 letter words : ) ...

development stable as ever. RIAA / MPAA / "german what's it called" - 
AH!  "ZKM"! threats none but hypocritical "don't touch OUR products! all 
others is fine, ain't our jurisdiction!" gibberish.

> 
> - - Interesting links Links, Innovations (eg TunA from the Europe Media Lab, Stream-Intercepts) ...


what I found fascinating a couple of weeks back is the way p2p works in 
Japan. semi-anonymous p2p clients with many users. hard to find nfo tho, 
prog called "WINNY", more stuff further down @ anonymity question..


> 
> - - Strategies against the music industry



share, share, share. oh yeah, keep on sharing... and do yourself a 
favor, don't buy their rotten products.
support small labels with your $$. there's many out there. the world 
isn't as mainstream as corporate media wants you to believe.
the current strategy seems to be working, or would they panic that much 
otherwise?



> - - p2p as social and democratic phenomenon ?



well i've always had the impression that p2p file sharing empowers 
certain user groups which don't have the financial assets to participate 
in the global process of media consumption, education etc.

i.e. high end software packages circulate on p2p big time, giving users 
the possibility to get educated and use their newly acquired skills on 
the job market.

i.e. access to the arts; p2p file sharing isn't only about grabbing the 
latest LOTR movie/terminator 3.. it's also about staying in touch with 
non-mainstream cinema beyond the standardized channels of distribution 
(licensed DVDs, cinema licensing etc.).

mainstream media hasn't yet fully grasped the more intricate 
implications of filesharing; by overinflating the same old "pirates 
pirate [insert blockbuster movie title here]" headline over and over 
again, a protective shield is deployed in front of people who don't 
pirate [insert blockbuster movie title here] but stick to material which 
nobody outside of a certain group of enthusiasts gives a damn about.

the whole process of prosecution as being put forward by the MPAA/RIAA 
and their fellow acronyms around the globe revolves around the principle 
"protect your own products, protect your own money". it is outright 
ridiculous for them to stylize themselves as a moral instance- "file 
sharing is bad". yeah right. take a look in the mirror befor jumping to 
those heroic conclusions.


> - - Is lobbying against the music industry possible ?


isn't the act of filesharing itself the greatest combined voice- the 
lobby of the consumer?


> - - Do you think it possible to organize users ?


check out the p2p msg boards and you'll see that these people are 
already highly organized around shared ideals; they are as organized as 
they can only be, i believe.


> - - Now that they crushed centralized structures, do you think the music industry has lost?


uhm which structures do you believe have been crushed? I don't get this 
point..


> - - How to protect the new decentralized p2p nets (zB Encryption,Anonymizer-Blackboxes?! ...)



at the time being, the discussion "anonymity vs usability" is raging all 
  across the globe. some time back, WinNY, some semi-anonymous japanese 
p2p app, was busted. check slashdot for "WINNY"..
in a nutshell (imho..), it appears to be common wisdom that completely 
anonymous p2p is impossible to implement and use. take i.e. freenet-- in 
geek tech discussion (check slashdot..), people aren't even sure whether 
freenet is impenetrable; in fact, the aforementioned app WinNY is based 
on that.

think "weakest part of a chain"-- as soon as you're inside of the 
network and participating, there's always a way to ultimately determine 
where a packet came from. the differences lie in the diffculty of 
finding out, and subsequently the amount of funds and work needed to 
trace somebody (neatly corresponds to my paragraph about "the morals of 
RIAA etc.....)



> - - Will Universities back their students or not...


in the US, they don't seem to. university of florida issue springs to my 
mind:
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/23/2314224&mode=thread&tid=141&tid=146&tid=188&tid=99



> - - Alternative ways for the music industry to make money without
> criminalizing their users (eg iTunes and iPod)


mantra start: give consumers what they want.

problem: finding out what we want is their damn job.

conclusion: unable to figure out what we want, the Industry tells us 
what THEY want. hey wait a second, did anyone invert the economic cycle 
there..

seriously, this is a very tough question.


> ... and everything else that might come to your mind...


have a merry 04 :)

cheers,

n.


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