Elnor Buhard on Sun, 16 Mar 2003 08:18:00 +0100 (CET) |
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Re: <nettime> There are only Vectors [2x] |
>> (iii) Virtual vectors: which leads to a question - can vectors be virtual? >> (iv) Mathematization of politics, or politicization of math? one thing that has always struck me, watching this dialog on vectors over the past few months, is how many mathematicians must be rolling in their graves, or rolling their eyes, as they read this fuddled talk about 'vectors', when it is pretty clear that many other mathematical terms ('mappings' comes to mind as the most apt), would be well suited to describe the processes that are currently classified with the term 'vector'. but i've always thought that this language exists because the connections that vectors describe live somewhere in the abstract space of human consensus. all of the strengths of vectors, the newly-minted currency of the post-material universe, live somewhere out in a fuzzy world that we have constructed, and only exists because of our conventions -- they exist only as much as mathematics, and no more. so, when i read nettime, and i see 'vector', i do _not_ think of 3-tuples of numbers, or elements of a Banach space. i do not think of the slight generalization of the concept 'number' that my mathematical voice whispers in the back of my ear. i see 'abstract, non-material, math-ish thing'. so > "surely power has always had a vector" --> "surely power has always relied on non-material math-ish conventions between people" > "the vectoral class" --> "the class of people that use social agreements, curry favor, and talk a lot of hot air to gain an immense amount of power... because they abstractly define that power" > "commodity game of the vector" --> "the game of re-arranging abstract relationships and deals to get what you want" and finally, >"The vector puts all resources on the same plane of calculation. The control over resources is much more about the control over the relevant information, allocation management and so on." enters my head as -- "a lot of things can be controlled by being good at this math-ish game" the idea that any of this has foundation anywhere in contemporary mathematics, or jibes with pre-rigorous uses of the term in early natural philosophy, is simply daft. even this 'fixed and indeterminate'ness is a loose connection at best. my response to this, as other times when i see literary types hijacking mathematics, is at first to think that this is some vain attempt to hijack the legitimacy of more rigorous disciplines. but this confrontational attitude never really gets me so far.... (in part because i think social theory is as legit as hard science - if only because it's so hard to know when you're right as a theorist) thus i have come to understand vector, as being a way to talk about something that connects somewhat conceptually distinct elements with manipulations of the structure of human consensus. (i.e., social games). like good physics, these abstract principles eventually have a material effect.... but only at many of levels of abstraction away from the original vectorial decision and act. best- elnor. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ----- End forwarded message ----- # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net