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Re: <nettime> 'IANA' to revoke .su ccTLD? (x2)
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Re: <nettime> 'IANA' to revoke .su ccTLD? (x2)

Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:20:27 -0400
Subject: Re: <nettime> 'IANA' to revoke .su ccTLD?
From: Are Flagan <areflagan {AT} artpanorama.com>

On 10/21/02 9:56, "t byfield" <tbyfield {AT} panix.com> wrote:

> two eloquent critics were elected to ICANN's board: andy mueller-
> maguhn, who represents a fairly radical european critique, and
> karl auerbach, who has recently argued that ICANN should be split
> into three organizations, each charged with one aspect of ICANN's
> purview. the fact that ICANN's intransigent belligerence has been
> more successful than these critic's eloquence is, in itself, an
> eloquent rebuttal of your argument.

/ andy mueller-maghun's comments at h2k2 in july offered numerous examples
of how ICANN renders its at-large members at-large by strategic committee
work; keep forming and dismantling working groups internally until the right
recommendation arrives. And karl auerbach has remained on the sidelines
during much of his tenure due to the drawn out legal proceedings; he has
been unable to work with(in) ICANN to the extent his position would,
theoretically, mandate. Something should tell everyone that eloquence and
arguments, originating at-large, will always be drowned and silenced in an
autocratic bureaucracy that, in turn, officially passes for a representative
and democratic process. At-large is simply an insider joke at ICANN. And
that's sadly your internet for you...


Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:55:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Morlock Elloi <morlockelloi {AT} yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> 'IANA' to revoke .su ccTLD?

While I (more or less) agree with the three points below, they still don't
support anti-ICANNism. ICANN does exactly what a *single* *global* dictionary
editor would do. Sooner will your constructive critique of a pig make it fly
than ICANN will change due to your anti-ICANN efforts.

So I conclude that banging against the wall promotes the banger rather than the
wall's collapse.

> first, i'm philosophically and politically opposed to the idea that 
> any single entity has the authority, directly or indirectly, to dic-
  < . . . >
> second, the creation of an organization whose sole purpose is to 
> conflate the universe of indexical/addressing techniques to a sin-
  < . . . > 
> and third, naming issues are secondary to *numbering* issues, and 
> ICANN is -- in theory -- in charge of allocating IP numbers as well. 
  < . . . >

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