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   tell an event by its cover                                                      
     david turgeon <>                                                

   going and stopping                                                              
     samantha krukowski <>                                          

   story on spooky sleeve provoces net moralists..                                 
     roya// <>                                                      

   Re: [TW] FW: Another Gulf of Tonkin Resolution?                                 
     "Ivo Skoric" <>                                                

     wade tillett <>                                             

   Re: <nettime> adjust and proceed                                                                                                              


Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:04:39 -0400
From: david turgeon <>
Subject: tell an event by its cover


Top Sellers in Books:

1. Nostradamus by John Hogue, Nostradamus Propheties

2. Twin Towers by Angus Kress Gillespie

3. The New Jackals by Simon Reeve

~ david


Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:03:04 -0500
From: samantha krukowski <>
Subject: going and stopping

someone out there
please tell me something to read
something to make
something to inhale
something to see
that will get my pulse normalized enough
that will make my blood flow
i seem to be swamp bound
in some black goo where creativity
is not even a possibility
where sitting
without sometimes the strength to light a candle
seems the only option

i picked up de certeau's the practice of everyday life
it sounded good
found the chapter called walking in the city
and was demoted to stillness again
it opens "seeing manhattan from the 110th floor of the world trade center"

- -- 
Dr. Samantha Henriette Krukowski
Co-Director, ACTLab/Convergent Media
Department of Radio-Television-Film
University of Texas at Austin  78712



Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:08:35 +0100
From: roya// <>
Subject: story on spooky sleeve provoces net moralists..

Salaam nettimers. Below the story on The Coups spooky album cover as
published by London based website AMMOCITY on Wednesday. The mainstream
media in their role as moral watchdogs picked up on the story in an
instance, and ammocity has been flooded with threats, abuse and and...
ever since. What is most disturbing are reports from various people
whose provider (AOL.. others?) refused connecting to ammocity. Hate to
be a scaremonger but I have a gut feeling that blacklisting websites is
something that is likely to happen. Did you receive any reports on
strange, similar looking incidents?

take care of each other, roya*


Spooky sleeve precedes blasts by three months 


The album cover for hip hop group The Coup manages to even out-weird the
quotes from the Nostradamus hoax doing the email roundssince Tuesday. 
Designed more than three months ago, the original cover for 'Party
shows group member ‘Boots’ Riley holding a detonator while the World 
Trade Centre explodes behind them. If you examine the actual explosions 
you’ll notice that they are around the same relative height on each of
towers as the real explosions. There’s been no word from 75 Ark Records, 
The Coup’s label, on the subject, but on their website the artwork has
been changed. If you want to see the spookiness you can link to the 

- --

(this is todays update on the story by ammocity..)

Hip hop crew The Coup have responded to the extraordinary similarity between
their planned cover art for their album ‘Party Music’ and the attack on the
World Trade Centre. In a statement, frontman Boots Riley expressed
regret for
the ‘uncanny similarity’ between the cover, completed in June this year, and
the events of September 11. He also stated that ‘the original intent of the
cover was to use the World Trade Centre to symbolise capitalism and was not
supposed to be realistic in its depiction.’ Talking of the attack he
explained, "all life is precious and this tremendous tragedy is by no means
taken lightly by The Coup. This is a very unfortunate coincidence and my
condolences go out to the families and friends of the victims." The
album will
be released on November 5 with completely new artwork.


Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:36:07 -0400
From: "Ivo Skoric" <>
Subject: Re: [TW] FW: Another Gulf of Tonkin Resolution?

This is true - we are in contants with several people from Bosnia 
and from Serbia - who worked in financial district area - they 
survived either the war in Bosnia or the NATO bombing of 
Yugoslavia - and they are all frightened that the war came after 
them. Some of them are actually in need of counseling, because 
they don't believe this is over now. It is also interesting how primary 
instinct of somebody who was once a victim of war is not to wish 
for revenge and retribution, but for peace and reconciliation. Those 
who see this recent attack on the US as a quid-pro-quo for NATO's 
bombing of Yugoslavia are usually not those who were running for 
shelters in Belgrade, but those who were then, as they are now, 
behind their computer terminals safely, somewhere in the non-
descript parts of the U.S.


Date sent:      	Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:11:56 EDT
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From:           	"Nalini Lasiewicz (twatch-l)" <LasiewiczN@AOL.COM>
Subject:        	Re: [TW] FW: Another Gulf of Tonkin Resolution?

In a message dated 9/13/2001 11:42:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> According to the facts in the public record so far, this was not an act of

I don't know about that, Francis.  NYC looked like Sarajevo for a while
there.  It still does downtown.  The victims, traumatized and frightened,
wouldn't quibble with semantics.  To them, war has come to America.  Can you
help me to understand why, in the legal sense, this is not considered an act
of war?  What are the characteristics missing?  Hope you have time to answer.

Nalini Lasiewicz
Lasiewicz Foundation
Los Angeles


Date: 14 Sep 2001 15:18:59 -0700
From: wade tillett <>
Subject: 091401

and thus, the internal discourse, the discourse within and between the confines, between the towers is interrupted,

within an implosive absence, a sucking of air, a gasping for breath.

and this is the strategy which cannot be accepted.

and thus, the absence is filled with the act of absence. 
the event is dissipated through radical proliferation. 
a strategy of containment through appropriation. 
a dismantling through absorption.
the absence is filled with image. 

we are merely within, between, temporary, intermediate.

through a constant replay of images, looped
the beginning, overtly / repetitiously / necessarily tied to the promised end. 
the loss of control tied to the regaining of a greater control.
the other conquered by the self.
the evil dominated by the good.

a new equation, a new discourse: 
'the destruction of internal discourse yields unity.'

the aggression upon discourse places itself as the opposite pole as an object, 


for this is the real strategy of the act of terror: 

a destruction of controlled discourse. 
a failure of order, of control, of division, of distribution.
the implosion of the internal equivalence of economy. 
an absence without end. 
an effect without cause. 
an enemy without other. 
an impotent vengeance and a sterile justice. 

in this, 
the awkward present 
without justice, 
without enemy, 
without retribution, 

all eyes are averted from this, 

the gaping and unfillable absence.


Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:33:51 -0700
Subject: Re: <nettime> adjust and proceed

Hi Damian,

Thanks for the response.

In all fairness I must say that the production company decided not to remove
the buildings. What they did instead was have me reposition the image so
that the WTC buildings were not as readily recognizable on one of the
sequences. On the other sequence they replaced the shot with another New
York shot that did not have the WTC in it. Nonetheless it was not a fun
session dealing with the clients and the situation at large.



psw : ov7o734o7o437

requires - msp. opengl.


nn: what is the dream  the dream that feels   that fleshes out emotion
           turns the transcendental into tangible and visceral   vibrant
           perhaps    or soft    soft too a means (though subtler) towards
           touch      a dream of or to touch    as if touching were the way
           only way   to maintain a space reality  to capture particle of
           or, more clearly, a moment +?

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Regarding U.S.A. nationalistic tendencies....I myself have a very difficult
time understanding the prevailing sentiment. The government had declared a
national day of prayer and flag waving for today. I live in Los Angeles.
Relative to the population at large I saw very very few flags being
displayed...and based on what I was seeing on TV regarding flag waving
elsewhere in this country I am confused comparison I saw an enormous
amount of Laker flags last month when the local basketball playoffs

Thanks for the website reference.


> From: Damian Abbott <>
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:27:17 +0100
> To: sn <>
> Subject: Re: <nettime> adjust and proceed
> sn wrote:
>> Greetings,
>> Let me describe what I do for financial gain:
> Hello
> Shannon, I'm very interested to know what the outcome was from your meeting.
> Also, what was their problem with the images: was it just continuity; fear of
> causing offence; or did they want the movie to have that "we just shot it
> yesterday" feel when it hits the nations cinemas (or even more cynically, was
> it
> "Hell, it ain't there anymore, get used to your new skyline...."?)
> Had a cruise around a few message boards to guage America's mood and got to
> say,
> from a British perspective, American patriotism scares the shit out of me on a
> normal day, but.... Whatever, you'll probably know a lot more about the
> subject
> of the following link, but thought maybe you'd be intersted:
> cheers
> Damian
> Inventory


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