J.M.G on 9 Feb 2001 15:12:22 -0000

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Re: <nettime> Baudrillard and the 1983 comments

>Why would an "overproduction" (relative to what?) of meaning and
>discourse result in an undecipherable reality? when was there a
>situation when reality was easily and uncontroversially "decipherable"?
>I suspect Baudrillard is talking about some of the campaigns of the
>1970s, conducted largely by mimeograph and photocopy and telephone,
>the most prominent example in Paris being solidarity with Russian and
>East Block dissidents and prisoners of conscience. By "electronic" he
>probably means mass media like TV and radio.

I welocme all of your comments;
* Baudrillard in this footnote mentions the initial actions of the students
during the Paris 'event'. He writes: 

"One would not hesitate to analyse the intervention of the media in May
1968 in this sense.  The extension given to the student action permitted
the general strike, but the latter was precisely a black box which
neutralised the original virulence of the movement.  The very amplification
was a mortal trap and not a positive extension." 

* Yes Baudrillard largely talks of radio and television (hence his
discussion of McLuhan). However how do his remarks fair in light of the


>At 1:10:50 AM on Thursday, February 08, 2001, jay@gibsonnet.net wrote:
>> Baudrillard in a footnote to his 'Implosion of Meaning in the Media'
>> writes:
>> "Distrust the universalisation of struggles through information. Distrust 
>> campaigns of solidarity that is both electronic and worldwide. Every 
>> strategy of the universlaisation of differences is an entropic strategy of 
>> the system."

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