<nettime> emotional political soup digest (brozefsky, garton, wardrip-fruin)

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Subject: Re: <nettime> Emotional Politics
     From: Craig Brozefsky <craig@red-bean.com>
     From: "andrew garton [c2o]" <agarton@c2o.org>
     From: noah wardrip-fruin <noah@queeg.com>

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Subject: Re: <nettime> Emotional Politics
From: Craig Brozefsky <craig@red-bean.com>
Date: 06 Feb 2001 16:33:55 -0500

"andrew garton [c2o]" <agarton@c2o.org> writes:

> >Goddamn Internet! I'm fucking attacked on one hand by Nigerian spanners
> >offering me a big piece of 26 million dollars, and attacked on the other
> >hand by corporate assholes who stick banners like knives across the
> >eyeballs; the hackers are our only hope; someone's got to bring the whole
> >fucking system down!
> 
> Yes, I get those Nigerian spammers... and more to boot. The easiest way to
> stop this appalling situation is to log off all together. Why wait for
> "hackers" to "bring the ... system down" when one can exercise one of our
> few remaining rights, turning the goddam mess off at the outlet? If we
> can't stop the source, we can certainly prevent it from entering our homes,
> desktops, PDAs...
> 
>   \ | /
>    OFF
>   / | \

Why stop there? Why not just off yourself entirely?  A plastic grocery
bag and a bottle of sleeping pills is all you need.  Obviously the
Internet is not the only source for these assaults on our
sensibilities.

-- 
Craig Brozefsky                             <craig@red-bean.com>
In the rich man's house there is nowhere to spit but in his face
					             -- Diogenes

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Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 14:35:49 +1100
From: "andrew garton [c2o]" <agarton@c2o.org>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Emotional Politics

At 10:38 pm 6/02/01 -0500, Dave Prager wrote:
>> Yes, I get those Nigerian spammers... and more to boot. The easiest way to
>> stop this appalling situation is to log off all together. Why wait for
>> "hackers" to "bring the ... system down" when one can exercise one of our
>> few remaining rights, turning the goddam mess off at the outlet? If we
>> can't stop the source, we can certainly prevent it from entering our homes,
>> desktops, PDAs...
>
>How is that a solution?  If a bully takes your money in the lunchroom
>every day, do you stop going to the lunchroom?  Do you stop eating?

I should've prefixed my comments as *tounge-in-cheek* :p

>I for one have adapted my life to technology.  I am in no position to
>regress.   

I'm not suggesting we walk away from technology. I'm talking about
information, content flows, media streams and how we have the ability to
curb its influence on our lives.

>We have all adapted our lives to cars.  Cars pollute.  Cars kill people.
>Is the solution to get rid of cars?  Or should we try making cars better?

We should. The combustion engine is an antiquated technology, but it
persists...

>Spam, etc., is not a technology problem.  It's a design flaw.  CO2
>emmisions are a design flaw.  Design flaws can be eliminated through 
>better design.

Well, after around 100 years of C02 emissions we're yet to see "better
design." I don't think spam is a design flaw, it's a product of commerce.
Is greed a design flaw? Perhaps, but we've yet to eliminate it.

>America elected Bush.  Do we abandon America?

Hmmmm... that's a thought!

-ag.

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:03:24 -0500
From: noah wardrip-fruin <noah@queeg.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Emotional Politics

At 10:38 PM -0500 2/6/01, Dave Prager wrote:
>America elected Bush.

This is certainly not the case.

Noah

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