Dan Wang on 6 Dec 2000 11:59:38 -0000 |
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Re: <nettime> Fw: Enemies of the Future |
Wow, a nettimer from Flint? I grew up in Saginaw, just up the freeway, another Midwestern post-industrial heap of a city, up in rust after a glorious two and a half decades of General Motors fueled growth. . . I have a hard time explaining to people not from Michigan what it was like there in the late seventies and early eighties, how the bottom fell out so quickly for so many, after thinking they might live phat and good forever. What really blows me away, though, is how a lot of the folks who witnessed and perhaps even experienced the layoffs from that time and place still do not think in terms of historical patterns and lessons, hardly even on a basic level as in your analogy. It makes me think that there is something fundamentally cultural and peculiarly American about the absence of historical consciousness, that a lot of Americans just aren't interested in and/or haven't been taught to consider social and economic systems over time. Even an informed quasi-lefty like famous Flint guy Michael Moore, who does more than his share of educating the public, almost never puts the downturn he lived through in any kind of historical context beyond the Reagan years. It is a remarkable and unfortunate blockage in the realm of public discourse. Without people being willing and able to think through these patterns and cycles from even recent decades (without Moore, just think how many more Americans would simply forget the Eighties, or just never think of that period as being relevant to the economics of today?), we can hardly expect such cycles to end, and should probably anticipate an increasing extremity of social trauma with each downturn--the response to which, of course, will likely be increased authoritarianisms. In his new book One Market Under God, the review of which stared this whole thread, Tom Frank pushes the history angle pretty well for being a (self-identified) journalist. For that reason alone, this is a noteworthy book. dan w. ---------- >From: Eric Miller <eric@OAKTREE.com> >To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net >Subject: RE: <nettime> Fw: Enemies of the Future >Date: Tue, Dec 5, 2000, 12:14 PM > > the analogy I keep coming back to is that of the auto manufacturers and the > postwar "car society" in the US. < ... > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net