[Nettime-bold] Re: <nettime> the myth of democracy + christianity

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Ian:

You raise some very interesting points . . . if I may, let me add a few --

1) Spinoza emerges as a very striking figure in Jonathan Israel's "Radical 
Enlightenment," particularly in the way that he was supported (and, indeed, 
published) by those around the Royal Society of London . . . "radical 
materialists" of a very certain sort.

2) We are well advised to remember that "materialism" did NOT mean *Athesism* 
for Spinoza, and it did not mean that Jesus Christ wasn't due for a "Second 
Coming" (for many of those who found Spinoza compelling and useful) . . . 
usually in their own lifetimes, of course.

3) Indeed, the direct overlap between *radical millennarianism* and *radical 
materialism* is crucial . . . then and now when trying to understand the 
actions of those people who believed that SCIENCE was the primary tool for 
preparing this world for the 1000-year reign of Christ.  (In this regard, you 
will probably find "Samuel Hartlib & Universal Reformation," Mark Greengrass, 
et al. editors, enlightening.)

4) Yes, this (Spinozan/Newtonian/Hartlibena) radical agenda IS remarkably 
similiar to the theme of the NAZI party -- some 250 Years later.  And, in 
this regard, you might wish to examine the relationship between this *very* 
powerful (and *very* personal) theme of ONE WORLD ruled by "Christ Arisen" 
and many contemporary "right-wing Christian" attitudes which are both 
"anti-state" and "anti-globalism" . . . in as much as the both the 
NATION-STATE and the WORLD-STATE potentially stand in the way of the 
anticipated 1000-year "Reich" of the risen "Christ."

Best,

Mark Stahlman
New York City

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