[oldboys] flowers // oldboys commitment and the question of whois

[miss.gunst@gmx.net]

dear helene, connie & all,

after having revealed the simple mind behind the mysterious
miss.gunst id
8-)
let my add my personal view to the venice flower case.

to a certain extent I would perfectly agree with your standpoint,
helene: according to the basic agreements of obn
> whenever at least 3 members of OBN sign responsible they 
/can/
> label their activity (whatever that might be) an 
> old-boys-network-event
AND whenever three plus n (3+n) decide to do so,
they should show their committment to obn basic agreements
also by commiting themselves to their action (whatever form & result
this action may show & tell)

BUT: personally, I would prefer to see this commitment
limited first of all to the network itself, that is: the list.
[which was not the case in this case, at least not immediatly,
so here/up to this point I can accept your critique, Helene]
-- as I think in some cases acting in the name of obn should
imply or at least allow the interpretation the action has its origins
_in a network_ (that obviously consists of individuals with
individual standpoints, as it is _not_ a group).

maybe we should discuss this and decide together about how to
deal with this in future?
a) should _any_ action in the name of/labeled by obn
be "signed" by the individual names/ids of all the old boys involved,
so _everybody_ can relate these very names/id.s to the action/event
OR
b) should this rather be something the old boys involved communicate
to the network itself, while being free to chose if they prefer the
public to be informed about the 'authorship' in full detail or not
AND
c) in case the latter possibility is taken in account, should this
considered as a 'very special case' anyway discussed ón the
list in advance.


actually, I think I would like to stay open for b) - combined with
c) or not.
maybe I would even like the idea of creating a collective id
(i.e.: action@obn.org) that could be used for special
purposes... - that is, for collective actions (carried
out by a 3+n group of old boys, and in this case
maybe indeed necessarily discussed or at least communicated
on the list _in advance_?!) that may afford a certain
grade/stage of anonymity (of cause not being anonymous
at all, as clearly bearing the obn label) to enhance their impact.

maybe this latter idea leads to far to be already discussed
at this point - however, I hope we can discuss the former
question, that is: how to deal with the relation between
labeling an action in public and showing one's personal commitment
(always in public / sometimes in public / sometimes to the list only
and so on...) right now, as I consider this question as a very
important one.

well, and to add my personal statement to the venice case:
I definitely do share connie's standpoint already explained
by herself in detail (that is, her interpretation of the
whole event as well as her interpretation of the background/context
that was the framework of this action), and I even like
the idea the combination of message & sender (miss.gunst)
may have led to mis(s)interpretations...

best,
kuniboy

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