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Re: <nettime> Gary Chapman, brilliant on WTO Carl Guderian <carlg@vermilion-sands.com> Re: <nettime> Re: Gary Chapman, brilliant on WTO (henwood byfield kessi brace) "rc-am" <rcollins@netlink.com.au> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:03:29 +0100 From: Carl Guderian <carlg@vermilion-sands.com> Subject: Re: <nettime> Gary Chapman, brilliant on WTO If free trade brings a better life, fine, but somehow I doubt the version--the direct equation of capitalism and freedom--offered by a secretive organization like the WTO will do so. A big reason for the protests was that ordinary people were condescendingly nudged out of the discussion, from NAFTA to the MAI to the WTO, though they are most affected by the results. Policy wonks like Charlene Barshefsky, her boss Bill Clinton, and the Davos crowd were baffled by the commoners' sudden interest in trade. They should have known better. Information is more available now than it used to be, and citizens have had to become semi-experts in the process of answering disturbing questions such as: * (In the U.S.) If the company for which I work is a model of efficiency, why is it being closed down and reopened in Mexico? * (In Nigeria or southern Mexico) Why would Shell or Chase Manhattan Bank rather have my government kill me than work with me? * (In the U.K.) If genetically-modified beans are as good as Monsanto say they are, why can't they trust us to test them ourselves and then decide whether we want to eat them? Secrecy and exclusion is harder to justify than it used to be, especially when the experts are shown not be so disinterested as they pretend to be. The WTO's scope shouldn't extend much beyond world trade, but nor should it pretend that world trade exists in a vacuum, not when ills like dictatorship, poverty and pollution have accompanied "free trade" in the past. The record of the free traders is poor in this regard; they supported whichever kleptocrat could deliver the bananas or Air Jordans most cheaply and reliably. When leaders steal everything, how can the workers afford the TVs and big Macs that northern protesters are supposedly denying them? "Constructive engagement" led to big fortunes for Suharto and the rest of his litter and jack squat for everyone else. Popular disgust at home and abroad, not trickle-down economics, pushed him out the door. If the people of the developing countries are to depend on a top-down structure like the WTO to lead to a better life, they'll be waiting a long time. If they know someone else cares enough to raise a ruckus, they'll take heart in the knowledge they're not alone. The issue of global trade is important--the U.S. protectionism in the 1930s probably worsened Europe's depression--but not urgent enough to justify an Emergency Committee-type body like the WTO. There's no Jihad declared against the world's chambers of commerce. The WTO members themselves realize this. Even the U.S. government is ambivalent, since it has its own producers to protect. We have the time and the duty to be sure everyone, not just the bosses, gets a voice. I'd rather work out for myself that strong copyright protection and Big Macs are a global good than have it said for me. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: "rc-am" <rcollins@netlink.com.au> Subject: Re: <nettime> Re: Gary Chapman, brilliant on WTO (henwood byfield kessi brace) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:55:49 +1100 Sad to see people peddling Australian nationalism as if, by virtue of its not being US nationalism, is somehow better. This refrain -- that the collapse of the WTO talks in Seattle indicate a loss for the poor -- is one of the more laughable commentaries I've seen. But, it's just downright ridiculous coming from Australia, which has one of the highest levels of agribusiness concentrations anywhere, both vertically and horizontally, with approx four companies controlling inputs, outputs, land sales, bio-tech, distribution... This, of course, coming hot on the heels of the second biggest land grab in Australian history, where both Labor and Liberal-National governments effectively legislated to retrospectively legalise colonisation -- specifically to protect the pastoral and mining industries from indigeneous land claims. Not surprisingly perhaps, both the Australian Labor Party and the Liberal-National Coalition concur in their attempt to present the collapse of the WTO ministerial in terms which can -- at best -- be called a lie. No doubt, this is part of a bi-partisan attempt to shift toward regional trade agreements; as well as an attempt to present Australian imperial interests in the region in the fading light of an 'anti-US imperialism' register. Well, it seems to work for many capitalists in the region, so why not for Australian ones as well. (Anyways, with legislation on the table to extend Australian mineral exploration rights over a wider area of Antarctica, as well as legislation to extend the ability of the Australian military to board and seize ships outside Australian waters (you know, all those darned illegal migrants taking 'our' jobs and greedy Indonesians taking 'our' fish) -- with the ALP wanting to present itself as even tougher on these questions than the present Government are--, they have to do something.) Thanks to McKenzie Wark, i now know what the particular spin from the ALP is going to be: APEC, friend of Australian workers. And, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise though that the discourse is remarkably close to that of Mike Moore's, who after all comes from the New Zealand Labor Party. Angela Mitropoulos Melbourne, Australia _________ # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net