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<nettime> ivogram 010599: way in, way out, net access is FYU, pesky kosovars |
Ivo Skoric <ivo@reporters.net> way in and way out Internet Access in Yugoslavia [fwd] The Nation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: "Ivo Skoric" <ivo@reporters.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:33:38 +0000 Subject: way in and way out Hungary - the refueling planes for NATO bombers will fly out of Hungary, and Hungary became a NATO country barely two weeks before the air-strikes against Serbia commenced. Almost as if there is some connection between the two. Bulgaria - now this is some serious guidance failure. A missile released over Montenegro - supposedly to hit a Serbian air-defense radar that had locked onto a NATO aircraft - flew all the way to Sophia, and fell there. So, this was a HARM missile? But those missiles do not have that range. Cruise-missiles do. But why would the pilot fire a cruise-missile in a response to an immediate missile treat? Oooops, wrong button. You get kind of lazy when you get to play a game in the God-mode. Bridges - NATO got quite persistent with them bridges, so now all land connection with the part of Serbia West from Danube and North from Sava, which borders with Croatia, is cut. Will that give Tudjman ideas and/or would NATO like for that to give Tudjman ideas? Montenegro - gets pounded with NATO nervous to finish this campaign already. Fuel depots, airports and army reinforcements for Kosovo. Congress - voted down escalation of Clinton's war in Kosovo weary of such escalations in the past. Popular support is nevertheless still very high. That might change if Serbs manage to nuke the CNN uplink in Atlanta. Jesse Jackson - he decided to go to Belgrade and try to get the three US POWs so they don't have to wait for the end of the war, with the foresight of for how long this war may last. No word of whether Serbia sent somebody to plea for its POW in American hands in Albania, or whether the prisoner applied for a green card so far on. ivo - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: "Ivo Skoric" <ivo@reporters.net> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 01:19:23 +0000 Subject: Internet Access in Yugoslavia Unlike television, which in its top to bottom one way communication somehow symbolizes totalitarian structure, Internet is a democracy promoting media. There are signs of danger that it could be shut off in Serbia. The West officials might not care, since it fits their picture of barbarian state of Serbia. I believe that netizens, who by nature transcend borders of geography and nationality, should help Internet in Serbia survive (after all, it was meant to survive a nuclear war...) ivo YUGOSLAV NGOs Belgrade, April 26, 1999 STATEMENT ON POSSIBLE INTERNET BAN We, the representatives of the Yugoslav civil society, coming together to protest NATO bombing and ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia now have to deal with other problem that could uncouple us from the world and practically forbid our free expression and dissent. One threat is coming from Yugoslav government agencies and the controlled domestic INTERNET providers. For them it is important to shut up all independent voices for which reason they banned the radio B92 and put under control other independent media. For NATO it appears important to cut off all dissenting people and groups from Yugoslavia in order to maintain the image of Yugoslav society as if it is totally controlled by Milosevic regime and made only of extreme nationalists who therefore deserve punishment by bombs. For us who are long time activists of human rights, minority rights, union rights, free press rights, women rights, peace and democracy activists, it is vital to maintain Internet connection to the world in order to get information and communicate with people about our situation. We are using INTERNET with respect to the netiquette and urge all Yugoslav users to avoid hostile and insulting vocabulary. We also pledge to all our international contact people to exercise their influence on INTERNET public opinion to avoid aggressive language and hatespeech in correspondences to people in Yugoslavia. PLEASE HELP US TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH THE WORLD! Yugoslav NGOs: - Association of Citizens for Democracy, Social Justice and Support for Trade Unions - Belgrade Circle - Center for Democracy and Free Elections - Center for Transition to Democracy - Civic Initiatives - EKO Center - Belgrade Women Studies Center - European Movement in Serbia - Forum for Ethnic Relations and Foundation for Peace and Crisis Management - Group 484 - Helsinki Committee for Human Rights in Serbia - The Student Union of Yugoslavia - Union for Truth About Anti-Fascist Resistance - WIN- Weekly Video News - Women in Black - YU Lawyers' Committee for Human Rights - District 0230 Kikinda - Urban in Novi Pazar, and - Center for Policy Studies - Association of Independent Electronic Media (ANEM) - NEZAVISNOST Trade Union Confederation - The Centre for the Promotion of Information and Democracy - CeRID **************************************************************************** JUGOSLOVENSKE NVO Beograd, 26. April 1999. IZJAVA O MOGUCEM ISKLJUCENJU SA INTERNETA Mi, predstavnici jugoslovenskog civilnog drustva okupljeni u grupu koja protestvuje protiv NATO bombardovanja i etnickog ciscenja u Jugoslaviji sada moramo da se nosimo sa jos jednim problemom koji bi mogao da nas iskljuci iz sveta i uskrati nam pravo na slobodno izjasnjavanje i neslaganje. Jedna pretnja dolazi od sluzbi jugoslovenskih vlasti i od njih kontrolisanih INTERNET provajdera. Za njih je vazno da ucutkaju sve nezavisne glasove zbog cega su zatvorili radio B92 i stavili pod kontrolu ostale nezavisne medije. S druge strane, za NATO se cini vaznim da se izoluju svi oni koji pripadaju opoziciji i civilnom sektoru da bi se potvrdio stvoreni imidz jugoslovenskog drustva kao onog koje je totalno kontrolisano od Milosevica i koje cine samo ekstremni nacionalisti, pa stoga zasluzuju kaznjavanje bombama. Za nas koji smo dugogodisnji borci za manjinska prava, sindikalna i zenska prava (i ljudska prava uopste), za mir i demokratiju od zivotne je vaznosti da odrzimo svoju INTERNET vezu sa svetom da bi smo dobijali informacije i da bismo mogli da komuniciramo sa nama slicnima. Mi smo do sada koristili INTERNET sa postovanjem prema usvojenoj netiketi (netiquette). Apelujemo na sve jugoslovenske korisnike INTERNETA da ne koriste agresivni i uvredljiv recnik i tako ne provociraju strane provajdere i kontrolore INTERNETA da nas skinu sa mreze i tako nas onemoguce u sirenju naseg vidjenja ovoga sto se dogadja. MOLIMO VAS DA NAM OMOGUCITE DA OSTANEMO U VEZI SA SVETOM ! Jugoslovenske NVO: - Association of Citizens for Democracy, Social Justice and Support for Trade Unions - Belgrade Circle - Center for Democracy and Free Elections - Center for Transition to Democracy - Civic Initiatives - EKO Center - Belgrade Women Studies Center - European Movement in Serbia - Forum for Ethnic Relations and Foundation for Peace and Crisis Management - Group 484 - Helsinki Committee for Human Rights in Serbia - The Student Union of Yugoslavia - Union for Truth About Anti-Fascist Resistance - WIN- Weekly Video News - Women in Black - YU Lawyers' Committee for Human Rights - District 0230 Kikinda - Urban in Novi Pazar, and - Center for Policy Studies - Association of Independent Electronic Media (ANEM) - NEZAVISNOST Trade Union Confederation - The Centre for the Promotion of Information and Democracy - CeRID - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: "Ivo Skoric" <ivo@reporters.net> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 01:19:56 +0000 Subject: The Nation Pentagon and Milosevic agree on certain fundamentals: those pesky Kosovo Albanians are always in the way. ivo ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- The Nation May 17, 1999 CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS Belgrade Degraded ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Every now and then it really happens. A "military spokesman" emerges to prove that Joseph Heller was a realist, and Catch-22 a work of reportorial integrity. Right in the middle of the "Military Analysis" column in the New York Times: Indeed, Pentagon and NATO officials have even mused that the complete expulsion of Albanians from Kosovo would give the alliance a big military advantage. "There would be Serb troops primarily left, and we would be able to attack them with more precision and more concentration," a Pentagon spokesman, Kenneth H. Bacon, said recently. Even the name of the spokesman seemed right somehow: Pork-barreled to the roots of his tight and curly tail, the porcine propagandist squeals the inadvertent truth. Throw all the pesky civilians out to make a new life on the rubbish-tips of neighboring lands (it was this same Bacon who instructed us earlier that the mass expulsion had been foreseen and, so to speak, factored in), and we can have our ultimate wargasm--a free-fire zone and a clear field of bombardment. What's the frequency, Kenneth? In a Catch-22 scenario, as well as in the abjectly real world, this would also help insure that the Kosovar refugees had nowhere to go home to. This objective collusion, between the aims of Milosevic and the aims of NATO, is what renders null the current debate between the remnants of the American "peace movement." On one wing are those who say that NATO is doing the right thing by taking an antifascist position at last. On another are those who speak smugly about how all this bombing has upset the Serbian democrats. Such people also describe the bombing as an "aggression" and cleverly ask why we don't bomb to save the Kurds or the Timorese. The other day at a "peace" event in Cambridge, I was solemnly handed a "target" symbol of the kind worn as a fashion statement in Belgrade these days. I threw it away at once. Those who wear such symbols are the self-pitying and not-so-reluctant supporters of a national-socialist demagogue--people who have never said a word about the aggressions and massacres in Bosnia and Kosovo. It was noticeable, at the recent funeral of the murdered Belgrade editor Slavko Curuvija, that none of the mourners displayed this false-populist logo. They were the serious opposition, who understand that the main enemy is at home. One who attended the ceremony told me that the silence, even between friends, was terrifying. "If we could not talk about the fact that he was murdered by the police death-squads, then what could we talk about?" A principled peace movement in this country should at least attempt to contact the few genuine Serbian internationalists, ask them what they think and inquire how they can be helped. I try at least once a week to hold a conversation with either Srdja Popovic or Dusan Makavejev, both of whom have long and honorable records as Serb antifascists. Popovic was the human rights champion of the former Yugoslavia and acted as defense counsel for the leaders of various national minorities, including the Kosovar Albanians. Makavejev, a brilliant film director, is still remembered for his WR: Mysteries of the Organism, one of the defining movies of the seventies and a cultural achievement that earned him a jail sentence until it became clear that the motion picture was also the country's chief cultural export. Popovic says openly that NATO should cross the Hungarian border in strength and remove the Milosevic regime as a precondition for a settlement. He feels terribly torn about the bombing of Belgrade and other cities, because he favors the military defeat of his own government but finds it uncomfortable to take such a position from a place of exile. Clearly unkeen on the actual bombardment, he still fears that if it stopped, the Serbian leadership would claim, and perhaps win, a victory. The worst possible outcome--foreshadowed in the Bacon scenario--is one where the Albanian civilians are dispersed and the Serbian civilians get punished for it. Milosevic would then have confirmed his membership in that exclusive club--founded by Saddam Hussein and ornamented by Manuel Noriega--of despots who can switch between demonization and strategic value. Makavejev used to demand, while actually living in Belgrade, that NATO destroy the Serbian positions that were torturing the people of Sarajevo. (His reward was to be denounced as a Jew, which he said was no insult to a Serb like himself.) But he is entirely against the present bombing and also speaks scornfully of the ineptitude of NATO propaganda. "None of the Serbian democrats--not even the Orthodox bishop in Kosovo who favors coexistence with Albanians--was even invited to the Rambouillet conference. The Montenegrin leadership was also excluded completely. Now Clinton says that Milosevic can pick up the phone anytime and call. This is to treat everyone as if they were puppets." Both men feel that a huge opportunity was lost when NATO failed to help the nascent movement for democracy and independence in Montenegro. A democratic secession would have altered the whole balance of internal power against Milosevic and his openly fascist coalition partners like Seselj and Arkan. "But nothing was done--they kept putting it off--and now the Serbian Army has threatened the editor of a Montenegrin paper with jail if he even prints an interview with me," I was told by Popovic. Moreover, and despite the pleas of the Montenegrin leadership, NATO bombs have actually fallen on Montenegrin soil. This crass policy now faces NATO with two options--either a sordid carve-up brokered with Russia, as Clinton and especially Gore show signs of favoring, or a full-scale invasion, which might not now receive (as it once might have done) popular support from Serbian civilians. "I hate it when people blame someone else and don't take responsibility for what they did." Thus our eloquent President in the aftermath of the school bloodbath in Colorado. At last, a Clintonian statement that we can all get behind. To speak with men like Popovic and Makavejev is to learn what this principle means in a real crisis, which is why it is alarming to understand that their names are unknown to the Bacons of this world. -- >From owner-nettime-l@basis.desk.nl Sat May 1 06:39:17 1999 Received: (from listserv@localhost) by Desk.nl (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id GAA32728; Sat, 1 May 1999 06:39:16 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 06:39:16 +0100 From: owner-nettime-l@basis.desk.nl Message-Id: <199905010539.GAA32728@Desk.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: basis.Desk.nl: listserv set sender to owner-nettime-l@basis.desk.nl using -f To: owner-nettime-l@basis.desk.nl Subject: BOUNCE nettime-l@basis.desk.nl: Approval required: Status: RO X-Status: F Content-Length: 3511 Lines: 110 >From nettime Sat May 1 06:39:15 1999 Received: from pike.sover.net (pike.sover.net [209.198.87.34]) by Desk.nl (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA32725 for <nettime-l@desk.nl>; Sat, 1 May 1999 06:39:15 +0100 Received: from broj1.sover.net (pm0a12.rut.sover.net [207.136.196.140]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA14969; Sat, 1 May 1999 01:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905010523.BAA14969@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) broj1.sover.net from pm0a12.rut.sover.net [207.136.196.140] 207.136.196.140 Sat, 1 May 1999 01:23:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ivo Skoric" <ivo@reporters.net> Organization: Raccoon, Inc. To: pnbalkans@igc.org Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 01:19:46 +0000 X-Distribution: Moderate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) Arrests in Prishtina Reply-to: ivo@reporters.net X-Confirm-Reading-To: ivo@reporters.net X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: urgent Scarce remaining Serbian opposition reports on arrests of prominent Albanians in Prishtina: ivo ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >> >>From: Natasa Kandic, Humanitarian Law Center, Belgrade, HLC_NK@EUNET.YU, >>YHRF # 11 >> >>Arrests in Pristina, 29 April 1999 >> >>On 28 April 1999, Albin Kurti was arrested in Pristina, the former leader >>of the Albanian Students Union and spokesman to the former political >>representative of the Kosovo Liberation Army, Adem Demaqi. Albins father, >>an official with the Kosovo Parliamentary Party, was also arrested at this >>time, as well as Albins two brothers, Nazmi Zeka, the owner of the house >>where the Kurtis were temporarily residing, and Nazmis son. Witnesses claim >>that the arrest was conducted in an extremely brutal manner. Twenty-four >>hours later, Albins fifteen-year old brother and Nazmi Zeka were released; >>they both had visible signs of beating. >> >>The day before Albin Kurti was arrested, on 27 April 1999, the brother of a >>prominent soccer player Fadil Vokrri, Adil, was arrested. No information >>has been available about the destiny of the arrested persons. >> >>On 25 April 1999, Adem Demaqi was taken in for questioning. According to >>his account, he had been interrogated for two hours in relation to his >>attitudes towards the solution to the Kosovo issue. >> >>There are other developments in Pristina, which cause a feeling of >>insecurity among the remaining Albanians. The police make rounds visiting >>homes and compiling lists of Albanians with permanent residence in Pristina >>and refugees staying with them. A number of Serb shopkeepers refuse to sell >>their goods to Albanians. There are only a few Albanians in Pristina whose >>telephone lines have not been cut off. >> >> >>************************************************************************** ** >>**** > >> >>contact information: >>teresa@advocacynet.org >>(315) 471-7790 voice mail >>Syracuse, NY 13210 >> >>www.advocacynet.org > > > > > >___________________________________________ > >Paola Lucchesi >via Molino a Vento, 10 >34100 TRIESTE >tel. 040-765065 >____________________________________________ > >Come guadagnare con un investimento >senza esporvi a rischi eccessivi? > >Visitate: > >http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/Exchange/9399 > > > >** >** To unsubscribe send e-mail to <majordomo@neww.org> with a message body >** containing only: unsubscribe women-east-west Ivo Skoric 1773 Lexington Ave New York NY 10029 212.369.9197 ivo@reporters.net http://balkansnet.org --- # distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@desk.nl and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner@desk.nl