Re: <nettime> Direction of Travel - technical

[paul van der walt via Nettime-tmp <nettime-tmp@mail.ljudmila.org>]

Hey Jaime, Christian,

On 2023-06-14 at 11:39 -04, quoth Jaime Magiera via Nettime-tmp 
<nettime-tmp@mail.ljudmila.org>:
> I’ve been quietly following this discussion, but will pipe in on 
> this aspect: Running from a
> container would be a wise solution. The archives can be stored 
> on a mount and backed up
> elsewhere. I’m happy to provide my expertise in the area of 
> containerization (and Kubernetes if so
> desired) to help if this is the way folks decide to go.
I appreciate folks are just brainstorming, but i feel i should add 
my 2c too.  It is my literal day job to support a fairly sizeable 
e-commerce website (millions to billions of SKUs, millions of 
requests per minute) with AWS infrastructure, and we use a lot of 
Kubernetes and Docker.  In that context, the trade-offs make 
sense.  But i guess my only plea would be, let's please not 
overcook and overcomplicate things from the get-go.  Bringing 
Kubernetes into the discussion is almost the canonical example of 
over-complication for hosting a mailing list.
I think it's noble and understandable to want to do work up-front 
to make things infinitely lift-and-shiftable, but personally my 
philosophy is what is sometimes jokingly called "KISS - keep it 
simple, stupid".  Concretely, that would mean i'd favour using 
(e.g.) plain-old Mailman from a package repository of Linux or 
indeed (Rich's suggestion) OpenBSD for stability and security.
If i'm to be involved in the technical side of things (and that's 
the main reason i volunteered for janitorial duties) i'd want to 
hold off on committing to any one particular hosting company / 
technological choice / etc. because, as others have pointed out, 
our main difficulties are social.
I hope my response is sufficiently measured, but the mention of 
Kubernetes hit a bit of a nerve for me :).
Cheers,
p.
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