Re: <nettime> Extinction Internet

[podinski <podinski@mailbox.org>]

Hi Vesna,

Thx for these resources !

Important contributions to the theme of "Extinction Internet"...  

which seems to have been sadly overlooked by all the nettime Boys !

Apologies for my late response to this...

As i was trying to formulate a longer response to Geert's piece, but
have been unable to finish it.

...

But i will add some thoughts about the all the Bits Und Baume efforts,
which Vesna and i had the chance to discuss ( and examine some of its
problems )..

Not sure if your Ripe + BnB reports the demands of the Digitalization
For Sustainability ( D4S - which inclds. Stephane Hankey from Tactical
Tech )...here is the link to their paper/manifesto/ demands

https://digitalization-for-sustainability.com/publications/

...

I managed to get a copy and looked at it later at home... and took it as
representing the mainstream ( and safe playing ) tact of BnB overall.
Fighting like NGOs mostly do to fight for policies to reign in the
Technological Mess, which is all very reasonable and needs to be fought
for on this front, but this does not seem to have any popular strategies
and grassroots organs to take on the realtime threats we all face from
the COPORATE TECH TITANS, ie the tech-colonialism that operates far
ahead of policies...

Think: Move Fast and Break Things, and Pump it full with Billion$ ( ie.
with the wealth continuously STOLEN from the public spheres, and all our
labor ).

...

So one of the things missing at Bits u. Baume is the Hacker Spirit that
is far more present in the Chaos Congress...

And what is infuriating is that those species of hackers were not as
present at the Two BnB's ( 2018 + 2022 ), and very little BnB +
environmental themes gets brought back into the CC Congresses.

And far too few people who like to work in these tech + media theory
fields came to press the more radical struggles at BnB, which is an
important framework to QUESTION the whole Nettified Capture of Our
Terrestrial Being !

As the hot theme this week seems to be: to Fediverse or Not to Fediverse !?

And the XLterrestrials might interject:

Neither is that likely to be much of an arena to defeat the Onslaught
and the Empires of the Technodystopias !

While we are currently enjoying the Fediverse activity, Is this just
more of the deep immersion into the Globalized Cybernetic Dumpster Fires!?

cheers,

Podinski


ps. Much more to say about Vesna's resources ...

AND Geert's text, which brings together a useful overview of some
important voices and angles like Stiegler, Bifo et al...

But damn Geert, that is SO LATE to the game !

I mean even Already in 2005, at the 22c3 Chaos Communications Congress,
some key Chaos adepts ( F. Rieger and R. Gongripp ) gave a talk entitled
" WE LOST THE WAR "...the message way back THEN was we needed to
radically rethink our strategies !

Maybe MEDIA Theory people + HACKERS need to get way more on board with
the fight for our terrestrial habitats, both local and planetary !??

J. Oliver comes to mind, who set up all the comm for Ex Rebellion...

that wasnt obviously enough either, but at least it was the right
direction + alliances !? ( debatable of course)








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> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:51:14 +0100
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> Dear Geert, all,
>
> On 24/11/2022 17:39, Geert Lovink wrote:
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>  > We need tools that?decolonize, redistribute value, conspire and 
> organize.
>
> I admire your work on this, and will study it later, for in-detail response.
>
> Right now, quick contributions, that I think resonate with the 
> "Extinction Internet" :
>
> * my "paper" submitted for the upcoming workshop by Internet 
> Architecture Board on ?Environmental Impact of Internet Applications and 
> Systems": https://www.iab.org/activities/workshops/e-impact/ , calling 
> for implementing Solidarity, Limitations, Reparations as 3 principles 
> for (technical) Internet Governance:
>
> https://wiki.techinc.nl/File:BECHA_Internet_Infrastructure_and_Climate_Justice_IAB.pdf
>
> * my article "Towards Climate Justice in Tech", practically a report 
> from four events related to "Sustainable Web", "green tech" and "social 
> responsibility" , and at the same time a call for moving away from 
> endless growth, fossil fuels, extractivism and techno-solutions :
>
> https://labs.ripe.net/author/becha/towards-climate-justice-in-tech/
>
>  ??? ??? (& an image: 
> https://wiki.techinc.nl/File:Three-principles-expanded.png )
>
> * a video recording of my talk at Bits & B?ume: 
> https://media.ccc.de/v/bitsundbaeume-19907-greening-ripe-though-activism-and-empathy-en-
>
>
> Let's work on this together!
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> Vesna
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