Re: <nettime> nettime-l Digest, Vol 158, Issue 30

[Donald Dulchinos <d.dulchinos@comcast.net>]

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> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 10:58:52 +0100
> From: Felix Stalder <felix@openflows.com>
> To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org
> Subject: Re: <nettime> Thoughts on coups
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> On 24.11.20 04:14, Brian Holmes wrote:
>> Here's my two cents: Keynes aimed to save capitalism from itself. Double
>> down on Keynes, unleash vast new creative energies on the basis of fiat
>> money, and maybe, instead of sapping capital's foundations, we can push it
>> over the top into ecosocialism.
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> In the longer run, it's hard to imagine how capitalism can still be
> capitalism without treating "nature" as an externality.

Not so hard. Isn’t a carbon tax an attempt to address that? 

Further, here in Colorado, USA,  institutional machinery has turned relatively quickly - extractive industries used to drive the state economy, but now outdoor recreation more important, and legislature recently amended role of state Oil and Gas Commission from “promote” oil and gas to prioritizing “health and public safety”, which will reduce fracking here. This is partly one economic sector’s ascendancy driving regulatory change at the expense of another’s. Also, we are aware here that wind energy is significantly replacing coal generation in the state, coal plants being retired even before their planned life span. Obama’s “All of the Above” energy strategy looks canny in retrospect; on a level playing field, fossil fuels are now losing. Reversing Trump tariff’s on cheap Chinese solar panels will help as well. 


> So the question
> then becomes, what are the condition under which a 'greener capitalism'
> can be pushed into something else. In a way that is like an update of
> the old Marxian idea that capitalism will produce productive forces on
> which communism can be realized.
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> all the best. Felix
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