Re: <nettime> From Meat Loaf to Penalty Shoot Outs

[John Preston <wcerfgba@riseup.net>]

I fail to see how anyone can say anything with certainty, nobody seems
to quote any models or statistics (that's not a dig about the discussion
on this thread, it's a general vent about the nature of all discussion
around Brexit).

I seem to be unable to discuss Brexit as a serious problem, because I
see it as what Stirner would call a 'spectre', it's an invented product
of our invented government and economic systems. I don't think Leave or
Remain, or Corbyn or any mainstream option is going to save this
country, because the problem is structural.

Technological development puts pressure on social institutions. We need
a system of governance which encourages rapid iteration and mass
participation, two features lacking in our current democracies.

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On 2019-08-20 14:07, David Garcia wrote:
> -What Now-
> 
> For the time we have gone beyond a Govenment of National Unity (GNU).
> as this option has run into the sand with Corbyn unable (as yet) to
> find the numbers
> and all the other factions against no-deal have been able to 
> coalesce around an alternative candidate with enough cross party support. 
> This may well change in late September early October when procedural options 
> are exhausted and we are staring down the barrel of a gun. Then we might find
> that tribal walls start to soften. In the mean time the main action
> will be with regard
> to procedural maneuvers.
> 
> Once parliament reconveenes those against no deal and remainists will
> be placing their hopes
> on a cross party coalition led by a combination of legal brains like
> Letwin, Grieve, Cooper and Benn
> + former cabinet heavy weights like Hammond, Gauke and Stewart who
> will work with a
> sympathetic speaker to try an get control of the parliamentary time
> table to amend and legislate to
> stom no deal (they are already plotting with the speaker behind the scenes). 
> 
> BUT these maneuvers are as unpredictable as a 'penalty shoot outs’ and
> just as unpopular. So they might well
> fail. As despite the arithmetic the government has the advantage that
> leaving the EU is the default legal position.
> BUT most constitutional legal brains believe that it is rebuttable BUT
> it will take a huge effort of "coordination,
> time and unanimity” (David Allen Green) among remainist MPs which they
> have as yet shown no sign yet of
> displaying. 
> 
> For all the wrong reasons the coming months will be ‘interesting’
> 
> David Garcia
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