Re: <nettime> Utopian Plagiarism / Society of the Spectacle

Thank you Molly - I think that this is a necessary and important critique of Debord and most writers of that period.

On Nov 4, 2017 7:15 PM, "Molly Hankwitz" <mollyhankwitz@gmail.com> wrote:

I am not sure from the initial posting whether it was posted in jest and tongue in cheek but do you think, fellas, we could start insisting on an Internet that —“subjugates living human beings” instead of “men only”—?

C’mon...ok - took the bait, but honestly,
let us not exclude women and children from the digital labor force. (of the spectacle)

Molly

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 11:55 AM Ian Alan Paul <ianalanpaul@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Debord would have been delighted that this would be called demagoguery, esp. considering thesis 207 from SOS:

"Ideas improve. The meaning of words participates in the improvement. Plagiarism is necessary. Progress implies it. It embraces an author’s phrase, makes use of his expressions, erases a false idea, and replaces it with the right idea."

Is it at all helpful to think of intellect as "fake" or "true?" I'm not so sure.

Another interesting (and similar) gesture is "From Cyborg to Black Slave" (a search and replace of the cyborg manifesto: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18XxbwkFtBFaxFCQLMvEr6uzIDuxLq0Vs9Og3UNsbpFI/edit ).

Best,
~i

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Marc Lavallée <marc@hacklava.net> wrote:

Debord compiled a list of citations and misappropriations that he
himself used in writing La Société du Spectacle, to help translators:
http://juralibertaire.over-blog.com/article-releve-des-citations-et-des-detournements-de-la-societe-du-spectacle-42307956.html

--
Marc

On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 23:23:08 +1300 (NZDT)
lincoln dahlberg <l.j.dahlberg@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> is this your hack or who can i attribute?
>
>
> > On 03 November 2017 at 10:16 Ian Alan Paul <ianalanpaul@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > The internet is not a collection of networks, but a social
> > relation among people, mediated by networks.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > The basically tautological character of the internet flows from
> > the simple fact that its means are simultaneously its ends.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > The internet subjugates living men to itself to the extent that
> > the economy has totally subjugated them.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > The internet is the existing order’s uninterrupted discourse
> > about itself, its laudatory monologue.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > The internet reunites the separate, but reunites it as separate.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > The internet is capital to such a degree of accumulation that
> > it becomes a network.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > The unreal unity proclaimed by the internet masks the class
> > division on which the real unity of the capitalist made of
> > production rests.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > The internet is ideology par excellence, because it exposes and
> > manifests in its fullness the essence of all ideological systems:
> > the impoverishment, servitude and negation of real life.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > ad infinitum...
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