Angela Mitropoulos on Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:23:05 +0100 (CET) |
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Re: <nettime> The False Defences of Utopian Thought. |
Symbolic occupations and defaults? Really? It's just been reported that the number of student loans defaulted on in the US has risen substantially. Also in the US, the foreclosures that occured in the wake of mortgage default, precipitated occupation - and, in some notable instances, given the nature of the financial instruments at play, inclined some judges to rule for occupation by foreclosed residents because ownership was uncertain. I haven't looked into credit card defaults, but I would hazard that these have been at high levels for some years. And, the daily organisation of the infrastructures of the various occupations of the town squares is far less symbolic than any number of programmes. The very possibility of default -- including raising the levels of what is increasingly being referred to as "strategic default" -- implies the existence of alternative infrastructure of life. I can't eat a programme, or be sheltered by it. Honestly, the issue here isn't just that I think we disagree about the distinction between organised and disorganised actions - a debate that is so well-rehearsed I don't think I need to go into it here. And not only that I suspect we disagree about what organising an action entails -- for my part, organisation means organising infrastructure, not sitting around interminably discussing what our demands and identity are until they hit the mark of the lowest common denominator or the false unity of the most conformable. I'm more than happy to embrace differences in movement, but I distrust the tacit ignorance of what amounts to a movement's housework. It's that which enables the time/event of protest, not programmatic statements. As for Aristotle, he assumed a distinction between the slave labour that occured within the household and the freedom and equality of politics. I couldn't think of a less desirable -- more conservative -- understanding of politics, slavery, value and labour than that found in Aristotle. best, Angela On 3/11/2011 12:48 AM, Dmytri Kleiner wrote: > Let us not forget that any occupations and default that exist > currently are symbolic ... And we haven't seen any organized default > at all, and again, nor are we likely to on any large scale. ... -- //angela.mitropoulos # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org