Marco Ricci on Tue, 26 Jul 2011 04:20:59 +0200 (CEST) |
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Re: <nettime> some more nuanced thoughts on SWARTZ |
sorry David Golumbia, but.. ehm.. do you get any money from JSTOR if one of your articles is being purchased? If yes, well that weakens my point, by i think it will make sense anyway. However, i really don't think a researcher gets anything from JSTOR. As far as I know, he doesn't even get money from a paper edition academic journal which publishes his articles and sells them to the public for mostly illogically high prices. (I won't enter here the discussion about the barriers that such publications present on "the other side", that is to the access to publication and academic recognition). If, as i reckon, no researcher gets a cent from Jstor for his articles, why do you associate retribution for your work with payment to Jstor? Public universities and research institutions, by definition, are financed by taxes paid by every citizen, and especially by the students of that university. What does a citizen who is not affiliated to any university get from the money he pays in education taxes? If u work in a public institution, your work should be paid by the state (=the public), and it should be available to the public. More generally, there is a general agreement that some very basic services should be granted to everybody; certain institutions exist (or should exists) for the public good, and not for profit; i consider access to information a very basic human need, almost as necessary as access to water. I did take an economy class, but economy still isn't some kind of religion with god-given golden rules, even if it is often regarded as such, and you seem to firmly believe in what your preacher told you in Econ 101: "if all labor is forced to be free, there can be no labor and NOONE CAN LIVE!!!" And are you completely sure that "this is the model of labor propagated here"? If so, i think you really missed a lot of the discussion about free information and different possibilities of sustaining cultural production. Never heard of arXiv.org? Do you think that such free, academic-level archives are destroying academic culture? I think they are fastening the spread of new research and information and stimulating the creation of new one. The actual western economy is an historically and culturally situated system, born and grown up during a specific time in a specific cultural area of the world, it is limited by its own cultural and historical affiliation, and is now failing to adapt itself to radical changes in culture and society; with time, such big systems usually become self absorbed, weighed and hindered by their own internal dynamics. Those so become more important than fitness to the larger, more dynamical and less regulated systems (= society) they are supposed to serve. One must be extremely stubborn to think that our own western economy system is the only one capable of sustaining a society and its culture, or the best one in doing this; in fact, i think that system is flawed and corrupted, and it is based on many biased assumptions rather than on absolute laws and principles. In Econ 101 (or, at least, in its Italian version) they still speak about the "invisible hand" of the market: let everyone act in his own egoistic interest, and the common good will magically follow. That principle is now partly surpassed, but it has long been at the heart of western economy; even if it's pretty much an absurdity, it was chosen among other possible theories because it fitted to the most powerful interests. Copyright was born in times culturally very, very different from our own, when physical production and distribution of information was still a time absorbing and energy consuming activity. It has been thought mostly to avoid third parties making money from selling other people's work, and none of those "libertarian Randites" who believe that information should be free would back the idea that anyone should be allowed to make money from other people's work. Freedom from copyright is about using others' work to grow intellectually and possibly to produce new culture; it isn't about making money. Intellectual property isn't the only way to sustain a flourishing cultural production, if it does that at all; rather, it is weighing it down and limiting its vitality (some copyright-free african countries with a huge and vital cultural industry are an overused example). It is just the only model we are used to; creativity and hence cultural production is a basic feature of humanity, and it will not die out because it is not "protected" by a system existing mostly to feed a few capitalists around the world. Sorry to use a second rather banal example, but I download loads of mp3s, and i illegally re-use loads of samples in my own musical production, which is, of course, copyright-free. But i still love to buy my favourites on vinyl; many of them. I get most of the information i need for my research from (legally or illegally) free sources, i am deeply, extremely thankful to aaaaarg.organd gigapedia (now library.nu), i consider them the heroes of our times, and when i think about the amount of information freely available to anyone willing to use it, when i think that i can now learn almost any topic at an academic level, spending only my own time and energy, i feel moved and excited, i feel like knowledge and wisdom are becoming less elitarian, like people can finally open their minds (if they are willing to or not, is another question). BUT, i still love to buy loads of books. Differentiation of the product could be one of the keys to copyright-free cultural production: if what u need is the pure, bare information, you can have it for free and be free of reusing it as you like; if u want it in a nice, durable and enjoyable package, you can pay money for it, and still be free to reuse it, to let it stimulate your own creativity, let it fuel new culture in an exponentially growing circle. Even if such and other strategies wouldn't be enough to sustain the actual cultural industry, and if its incomes would be seriously compromised by such new practices, i think that from the fall of such cultural industry (partly including the academia) only goodness could rise. For humans, to produce culture is as natural as feeding and shitting, it is an unstoppable need, and it would adapt to any new situation which could arise from the evolution, or the fall, of the actual system. However, my main concern aren't the incomes of the cultural or any other industry, but rather the vitality of human knowledge: if to see further, you should sit on the shoulders of giants, then the stairs to reach them should be open to everybody: many eyes looking far can see more then a few, paying, privileged eyes. Or only "relevant eyes" should be allowed to peep on the great picture? Actually, what u said about the "relevant research community" sounds very scary to me: who decides who's "relevant" and who's not? People not recognized by the academia (another highly closed and limiting system) shoudn't have the chance to build up their own culture, their own point of view? Should they be denied access to the highest levels of culture, because they are not officially recognized? Or because they do not have enough money? Or because they come from a place where the money needed to purchase a single article on Jstor can feed their family for a month? Again, based on which principles would you distinguish "relevant" researchers from "irrelevant" researchers? What i know for sure, is that i belong to the second group, that i do not care a penny to be officially recognized, but i deeply care about having access to knowledge, as much of it as my brain can assimilate. I do not publish in any academic journal, but i consider myself a researcher, and the only means i have are free online resources, mostly illegal or illegally used; only 20 years ago, i could never have reached the levels of knowledge i desired in any of the fields i am interested in. To do research at such levels as i am, i should have been affiliated with some major world-famous institution, and even my crappy, illogically expensive italian public university couldn't offer what i can now find for free in the web. No, my respectable university, one of the oldest in the world, publicly financed but still costing more than 1500? an year, didn't grant me access to Jstor or any other significant online archive. When doing academic research on art and technology, i had to download most of Leonardo's issues from Jstor using the password from a friend in a german university. Since i now have some money, i subscribed to the paper version, because i love to have those beautiful magazines in my shelf. However, free ("illegal") access to Jstor saved my researching ass while i was still studying and had zero $$$. Well i gave even too much space to over-discussed general issues, quoting banal points which you could and should have read about from a thousand different sources, and i hope this didn't cover up my main point: if you are a researcher working for a public (or private) institution, which supposedly grants you a regular monthly income, why do you associate your own wealth with that of institutions such as Jstor (with all due respect to Jstor, which is a great resource, and one i would be willing to pay for, if my financial status would allow it..)? And if free access to information must be granted to the most part of relevant researchers, why researchers considered irrelevant by official institutions shouldn't have the same rights? Should i really bring up examples of "officially irrelevant" people who changed the history of their own field, or is a general statement of equality of rights enough? Best, a 2011/7/25 t byfield <tbyfield@panix.com> > OK, guys, it's safe -- he's gone. 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