Re: <nettime> the right to be offended [4x]

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   RE: <nettime> the right to be offended [recktenwald, cramer, brownson, hashemi] 
     Joe Lockard <Joe.Lockard@asu.edu>                                               

   Re: <nettime> the right to be offended [recktenwald, cramer, brownson, hashemi] 
     "J. A. Jamil Brownson" <jambro@mac.com>                                         

   Re: <nettime> republication of cartoons is not digest [mule, murphy]            
     "J. A. Jamil Brownson" <jambro@mac.com>                                         

   Re: <nettime> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, The Right to Offend                              
     "porculus" <porculus@wanadoo.fr>                                                



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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:16:54 -0700
From: Joe Lockard <Joe.Lockard@asu.edu>
Subject: RE: <nettime> the right to be offended [recktenwald, cramer, brownson, hashemi]


Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:48:34 -0500
To: Nettime <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
From: Gita Hashemi <gita@ping.ca>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, The Right to Offend

.........

1- parody is a deconstructive/subversive form when it takes position=20
against the dominant power.  when it is directed against the=20
underdog, it is propaganda and hate-mongering. =20

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Two counterpoints:

1.  This proposes a political judgment, not a tenable legal standard, =
for determining who will be entitled to parodic  speech.  In a =
democratic society, the law provides equal protection and freedom to =
speak to all.

2.  Religio-political formations and their reactionary social calls are =
the dominant power in the Middle East, the United States, and parts of =
Europe.  Cartooning religious prophets and practices challenges that =
power.  Condemnation of blasphemy and calls for its censorship act to =
protect either regional dominance (i.e. theocratic opposition to the =
cartoons) or global hegemonism  (i.e. the US State Department's =
opposition).  Condemnation of blasphemy is the quintessence of =
anti-progressivism, no matter how we dress it up with contemporary =
'progressive' code language.

Conclusion:

Blaspheme your hearts out. =20


Joe


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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:13:03 +0200
From: "J. A. Jamil Brownson" <jambro@mac.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> the right to be offended [recktenwald, cramer, brownson, hashemi]

 gita, yes, clean the stable before sleeping in the straw .. 

cartoons shmartoons, balooney, in 1856, 10 muharrem, the indian (mutiny) rebellion
against british occupation began in earnest with a serious jihadi (wahabi) uprising, but
in the western calendar, that date was 11 september, ... go figure ... the anti colonial
struggle continues, the desire to overthrow collaborating regimes is equally strong, the
anger is real, cartoons or whatever are not significant in themselves, but signifiers or
triggers ... in the case of india, it was the rumor that cartriges for new lee-enfield
breech loading rifles issued to hindu & muslim sepoys, were covered with either pig or
cow grease, or both, a problem which the british refused to solve,etc.,

plus ca change, etc... same old shit & people are angry at being injured and insulted at
every turn by neocolonialism, sos under new paint ... 

stop whining over free speech which is just a subtrafuge for domination & an ignorant
rubbing the face of the controlled & disempowered into it ... the anti colonial struggle
never ended, ask the chinese, they are plotting a hundred year of strategic conflict with
eventual success against the usa and its european / anglosphere satrapies ..

or latin america, or africa, this is not about muslims, it is about the rise of the
masses (or to use a more au courant term the multitude)




Jamil Brownson, PhD
Historical Geopolitics, Eurasian & Mediterranean Studies


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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:21:19 +0200
From: "J. A. Jamil Brownson" <jambro@mac.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> republication of cartoons is not digest [mule, murphy]

 murph, right on, not only homophobia, but racist and sexist, and anti-western
slavophilia, religious bigotry long submerged under leninism exploding to the surface
with a vengence ... 
 anyone who knows the situation under the new russian regime realizes that the cold war
was a fraud and the real anti-slavic ethos still exists in anglosphere & western europe,
not to mention a dubious relation with china who still contests the entire siberian
sino-russian boundary ... the whole trend away from peaceful coexistence stinks, & the
usa power elite is to blame as it was to blame for wwii & the cold war, ever since the
1800's fanatic anti-socialist movements combining religion race & sacred capitalism
(WASP)and anglo-american manipulations and expeditions during the russian/soviet
revolution & civil war

don't bother to comment on facades without digging underneath to explore foundations of
ideologies and nationalisms

cheers in a less than cheery world

jb



Jamil Brownson, PhD
Historical Geopolitics, Eurasian & Mediterranean Studies



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Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:02:05 +0100
From: "porculus" <porculus@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, The Right to Offend


> There is a problem with the logic involved in posting "The Right to
> Offend" as a
> response to protests.

baaah enuf of fudging the issue, there is a nice wit that does also the symetrique of
'dura lex sed lex' ; 'you need to have to be humiliated for knowing the sweetness of
the law'. of course the religions, i mean the three ones revealed that shared the even
same god..even if the world is of course far bigger than this 3 united..for sure they
let so much nice things here around but for what we know here around too there is nothing
that killed & enslaved & meprised as much. add tamerlan add gengis add adolf add
iossiff visarionovitch & all our so wonder slaughter of any vernacular history noone
ever killed & oppressed more in the name of. it's an historical verity as big as ze
hymalayan mountain & the ones who think the contrary or it could be worst without this
god cant dare to have any sort of doubt about that, or they doesnt fear god oneself enuf.
l=E9gende dor=E9e or not please let the doubt & badly believer, the layabout of faith,
those who prefer fishing & cheating & why not the non believers at all to feel free to
take some ease with any god & any prophet, in their place & with their laws, cause it's
a thing some human on earth had judged important to win & legislate on. please let them
in their place do their damnation at ease till they let you place enuf for doing your
salvation, the streets is there more or less free of god, temple & cathedral as a minaret
could be a thing so hard to support somes at least have judged to have law for having the
right to blaspheme when they had to cross what they feel their cold shadow : may be in
the north one suffer the miser sun, & want sparing it for all. yes i agree it's
imbecile, criminal, perverse, worst autodestructive to impose democratie by force of
gun, non except all the huge hypocrisie include of course but i let the illimited lie &
sin against the spirit to who may concern, as of course you could consider it exist in
the cartoon, but consider it's there quite plus taxe, i mean quite out of juridiction,
but some of the say countrys are in the coalition, any dialectic & those of islam
include do there a political bridge, a point, a rupture of contract, it's why i say it's
autodestructive, so there would be no more sanctuary for free damnation, the deep core of
the west culture as all a dayly job. cause after all it's possible all the beliver are
righ: what only worth is paradise, + for all european the paradise could have only an
oriental perfume..but after all the very raison of the stay on this earth is to make
ones tiny choice if it rest one, yes if it rest somezing sacred here, then this is the
even core of the sacred, the liberty to be damned in peace, believer agree on the fact
europe has there its spiritual & quite necessar mission, just the best living proof you
could be right. the paradise is sweeter if it exist a managed antichambre for hell





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