Matze Schmidt on Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:19:47 +0100 (CET) |
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Re: <nettime> "GNU/Linux - Milestone on the Way to the GPL Society" |
hello stefan, (in fact we'll meet in leipzig [germany] at the linxxnet.de event "copy kills (music kills) capitalism" in some days to talk about itmes like this. so, not as an attack, but for further information some short simple tops in front.) > There are indications that the labor society, and thus also exchange > as the basis of society have come to their historical end. Even if at > first sight this has the threatening appearance of a collapse > scenario, it does open up the possibility of a new society that > overcomes the deficits of the old one; i can not see, why labour in society comes to an - even historical - end; if you just take a look at the exploding labour-market in china (ibm sold their pc building business to Lenovo last december; my new Hoefner electric guitar "Shorty" comes from china, etc. etc.). in fact, the "historical end of labour" or the "final crisis of labour" is a thesis from the german Krisis-Group and Robert Kurz (certainly you've been studying it), who are ignoring (or what?) the facts of still existing and increasing material work-flows. > In the development of industrials societies for some decades now > there is already a tendency away from material production. The so > called service society is an expression of this. However, the societal > form was not able to separate itself from the industrial society. the development is never ever going away from material production: as we all know software (which does not exist, after friedrich kittler) is nothing without the hardware [the onto-problem], otherwise it would become pure idea (or "Ideal" in german; "eidos" in greek), and the 'service society' is still a social relation - of selling work for money, which is by the way not only "exchange" but a deal every worker is forced to. best matze schmidt # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net