<nettime> iraq indigestion [recktenwald, bard, duncan, porculus, andy]

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Heiko Recktenwald <uzs106@uni-bonn.de>
     "Those digital cameras"
Perry Bard <minx@bway.net>
     Fwd: NYTimes.com Article: War and Abuse Do Little to Harm U.S. Brands 
pduncan@otherview.org
     As Unamerican
"porculus" <porculus@wanadoo.fr>
     Re: <nettime> Torture as pornography  
andy@remotelinux.com
     Re: <nettime> Torture as pornography

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Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 19:32:48 +0200 (CEST)
From: Heiko Recktenwald <uzs106@uni-bonn.de>
Subject: "Those digital cameras"

American soldiers are taking those pictures themselves.
What did they think when they took those pictures?
"My most beatyfull holyday adventure"?
What do soldiers think of taking pictures in war anyway?
Private pictures. All soldiers take pictures.
Rumsfeld started bubbling law, are private pictures in war illegal?

"Those digital cameras" are everywhere and we have the net.

H.


http://www.uni-bonn.de/~uzs106/ -- Series of http://bla/bla.3gps etc.

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Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 11:32:20 -0400
Subject: Fwd: NYTimes.com Article: War and Abuse Do Little to Harm U.S. Brands 
From: Perry Bard <minx@bway.net>

This just about sums it up. Front page news in the U.S.
Perry


> War and Abuse Do Little to Harm U.S. Brands
>
> May 9, 2004
>  By SIMON ROMERO
>
>
>
> U.S. companies that sell globally say they have experienced
> little if any disruption from discontent over the war in
> Iraq.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/09/business/worldbusiness/ 
> 09BRAN.html?ex=1085116292&ei=1&en=b4a360be375bdc74

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From: pduncan@otherview.org
Subject: As Unamerican
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 00:04:15 -0400

As unacceptable and unamerican as a lynch mob.

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From: "porculus" <porculus@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Torture as pornography  
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:57:11 +0200


> Trying to deal with The Pictures, the fact that women
> were obviously very involved (and enjoying what they
> did), wanting to figure out what this means for our
> understanding the system of meaning & sighns [nice typo,
> I leave it in]
> and trying to grip why I instinctively insisted on
> keeping them pictures away from my children, this
> Guardian article helped me on track.
> gr
> eveline

pornographie is just the display, nazis were not 'pornographique' & want
mostly the secret, even on their 'tenacity', mostly 'pornographie'  is
substantificaly about the media (graphein) & if you refer to himmler's text
for instance you read he insist on the lie of aparence, when a jew died it's
not an human being who die, beside himmler was said specialy 'sensitive'.
what i want to repeat after many & many it's the political & the conceptual
position that create the condition of hight scale massacre & not the
pleasure of it. if heidrich used of sadic & crazy in his einsatzgruppen
it's above all for some facilities, sadistic are there just instrumentalised
& may be in thinking it's usefull to keep even the moral right to erase such
instrument itself after.. when a bad job had to be made, i.e. to kill some
jew or tutsi everyone german or hutu could escape for some 'sensitve'
reason, it was admitted to not take part of massacre & have 'a walk up
around', but if anyone just oppose some 'reasonable' reason to not do it,
his corpse was the first to lay in the bottom of the communal grave. sorry
for us, human being, mengele is a political epyphenomenous, it's a truisme
for some decade now.
just to say it's a bad sliding about 'pornographie', this is not always &
at each time a so good stuff i admitt it, but globaly it could be show as
some soot of v8 freedom engine even by a father & mother to their child if
here it's not possible it's cause it's not only pornographie. it is said the
sade's case (his behavior) was globaly a common vice in upper class, in some
way it's his determination to display it & comminicate to all people his
moral that sicken the king & court..in some way in doing pornographie as a
possible political -egal- condition for all the human being..well, up to all
the male at least, i dont imagine american seing those image as
'reversible', i.e. naked american in the hand of moudjahidin.even if
pornographie is all the same the degre 0 of empathie it's empathie all the
same, dont know er as a mad max's gore jesus perhaps..so anyway if this
image go through it's rather a good political sign, er of course that it's
not internet pathetic garage porn nor larry flint's welloff filth, it's not
'just sex' & that make er..some difference

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Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:15:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: andy@remotelinux.com
Subject: Re: <nettime> Torture as pornography

i saw the first broadcast of the american being beheaded in the cnn center
in atlanta today. the images, and the situation of the man before his
execution, horrifies me beyond words.  i expect my reaction is similar to
the arabs seeing images of the iraqi torture(fuck you rumsfeld) victims.
cnn staff, business types, and tourists, casually looked at the huge
televison screens positioned at every angle of hooded terrorists silently
reading a speech as the commentator dronning sensationalism.  at least
ninety five percent of the people present looked up for a moment or two,
and looked back down, continuing their conversations.  whatever other 
threats presuppose humans from each other, the challenge is everyone not 
doing something to change it.

andy

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