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World Summit on Information Society Nettime Digest, no. 4 December 11, 2003 (I arrived in Geneva today. In between all activities I made this quick digest. It also contains some 'old' info. Over the weekend I hope to compile more actual information. For more 'live' information please visit the http://www.dailysummit.net/ blog and www.geneva03.org for counter summit updates. Geert) - Reports from We Seize! by Stefan Merten (Oekonux) - Report of Hans Klein/Georgia Tech - Global media struggle to define 'freedom' - Radio Non Grata forced off the air - Nations Chafe at U.S. Influence Over the Internet - Human Right Causus Concerned about Outcome - Mapping Geneva Project (Bureau d'Etudes) - Assuming the GCNP position - Migration, labour, media and organizing - Alles nicht so schlimm (Florian Rötzer) - WSIS text by Garth Graham -- From: "Stefan Merten" <smerten@oekonux.de> Subject: [ox-en] Report from "We Seize!" Hi! While being here in Geneva I also can try to report on what is happening here at the "We Seize!" events. I don't know, however, whether this is possible on the other days. Monday has been the second day of preparation of the "We Seize!" (after a year of online preparation). It started with a press conference in the morning. Press conference - ---------------- * Jamie King who is one of the main organizers made a declaration you can find under http://www.geneva03.net/moin.cgi/PressCommunique (At the moment this page is truncated :-( .) One of the key points is that at "We Seize!" people who kind of live the information society already are gathering instead of some political leaders. * The "We Seize!" event has not been planned to be a big event. Instead people from all over the world can participate online. * The program has been outlined. Please check http://www.geneva03.net/ for an up-to-date snapshot. * The streaming during the conference is made possible for "zero cost" by Free Software. * Besides freedom of communication mentioned in the declaration freedom of knowledge was highlighted. * The "Digital Divide" is never digital. Instead it is monetary. * When accessing the Internet it is important to know how you can use it. This differs much from people getting connected to some business channels. Free Software is at the very base of this know how. * If software is the basis of the information society putting copyrights on software is like putting a copyright on language. Also proprietary software sets the terms which people have to use to communicate. Free Software frees people to choose these terms individually. * It is important to prevent technological fetishism as it can be seen in the official WSIS to some degree (e-everything). Instead the people should be the most important thing. * Free Software and its importance has been mentioned in many contributions. * "We Seize!" has been named to make clear that we just take what we need instead of waiting what "they" give us. * Besides Internet streaming other media is used by re-broadcasting the digital streams (radio, television). Also the "We Seize!" uses these type of media itself (particularly in the Polymedia Lab). * Internet is a cheaper media than other regulated media. * Program of Strategic Conference has been settled now. [Which changed since the press conference.] There are even printed versions. * The key concept of "We Seize!" is to show autonomy, demonstrating networking, sharing of knowledge, and so on. Demonstrations on the street are not seen as a good way to show this autonomy. * The wanted outcome of "We Seize!" is to have some substantial discussions, to learn something, check out practical solutions, show autonomy, connect groups which are subject to the same issues. * There are attempts to organize self-organized networks independent from e.g. ICANN. This sort of networks becomes more important as the commercial networks prevent free flow of information. This is parallel to the success of Free Software. * The commercial factions have more disagreement between themselves than to the Free Movement (e.g. IBM/HP vs. M$). The Free movement can grow in the cracks between these factions. * CRIS published "We Seize!" in the official program. "We Seize!" itself has no relationship to the official process. CRIS has a foot in both areas. In the afternoon the second part of the preparation took place. It was mainly concerned with laying out the Strategic Conference (http://www.geneva03.net/moin.cgi/StrategicConference). Actually the first two sessions have been merged and the rest stayed as it was. Tuesday was planned as the first day of the Strategic Conference. However, it has not started yet. The reason is that the police is at the location where the Polymedia Lab takes place. I don't know about the details yet but I understood that the police lets people out of the location only when they take all the equipment with them. Of course this is unacceptable because part of the "We Seize!" event should take place there. As far as I understood there is an agreement of the owner of the location to have the Polymedia Lab there and for instance people received a key for the location but there is no written contract. At the moment there should be some negotiation there. In other words: It's all the same as usual... Sorry, this is all more or less rumour. What I know, however, is that most of the people went to Polymedia Lab (I'm in the Usine at the moment) and the conference is at least delayed. So much about autonomy... Actually there is not much to say about Tuesday. As could have been expected the police action in the morning dominated the whole day and so Tuesday is lost for the conference. In the afternoon / early evening there has been a general assembly where a dominating majority has been very much interested in negotiations with the city council, protest actions which could be taken, and the like. There were some people which were more interested in having the conference because this was the reason they came to Geneva but this played no big role. As far as I understood the PolyMediaLab will take place in some other space which has been made available by the city council. Day 2 of the conference shall take place today while Day 1 is moved to tomorrow. One note: I'm just reporting in some detail on what I find interesting. So this does not claim to be complete in any way. So actually the conference started on Wednesday. There is some IRC channel set up for the conference: irc.indymedia.org:6667 #sconf It is projected on the screen in the conference room and it is logged at http://irclogs.indymedia.org.uk/sconf/2003-12-10.html I have been a bit late to the first session which was titled "INFOWAR: REPORTS FROM THE FRONT". It was attended by about 30+ persons. When I entered the session there was a presentation run by Jesus Rogriguez (Venezuelan Community Media) (AFAIK) telling about the situation in Venezuela in quite some breadth and detail. As someone said even the topic of media has been touched at the beginning of the presentation. Just one impression from the discussion I found interesting. The speaker said something that there is even too much freedom of information in Venezuela. This has been picked up in the discussion. To me there was an interesting differentiation between freedom to create content and the freedom of access. After that there was a presentation of Sasha Costanza-Chock (FTAA IMC http://ftaaimc.org). He talked about all sorts of repression headed against the Indymedia Center reporting on some protests and against the protests themselves. He also presented some videos from the physical events (you can not film a denial-of-service attack, can you?). I have also been a bit late to the second session which was titled "HACK_IT!". It was attended by about 30+ persons. I don't have any idea whether I missed some presentation or there has been none. The discussion was quite interesting and there was also a rather Oekonuxy thread in it. [Please refer to the logged IRC stream because it is a quite good documentation.] The third session was titled "AUTONOMOUS MEDIA". It was attended by about 30+ persons. Actually the persons which attended the sessions were more or less the same BTW. However, the third session has been attended by some persons which had come especially for that session. This session has been started by DeeDee Halleck (DeepDish TV) from USA who is into community radio. She mentioned a conference back in 1979 called WORK and showed a film from that time. The basic message as far as I understood is the scarcity of bandwith / frequencies is a problem. Then she went on telling about the news program "Democracy Now!" which is produced by DeepDish for instance where it is broadcasted in the USA. After that there was a presentation by someone from hackitectura.net. This project is about hacking architecture. [Please refer to the logged IRC stream.] After that some guy from South Korea made a presentation about the projects he is involved in. [Please refer to the logged IRC stream.] Actually only the hackitectura.net presentation had some discussion while the other presentations did not provoke any reaction. It was interesting that a lot of people had laptops on their knees and you never knew whether they are busy taking notes or check their email or what else. So one of the features of real space meetings - you can see whether people stilll pay attention - vanishes in such a setup. Mit Freien Grüßen Stefan -- WSIS Video Diaries OneWorld, UK Young video journalists from India, Sri Lanka and Uruguay will be covering a variety of topics taking place at the World Summit on the Information Society. <http://tv.oneworld.net/tapestry?story=936&window=full> -- From: Hans Klein <hans.klein@pubpolicy.gatech.edu> Subject: New Report: "Understanding WSIS" To: air-l@aoir.org The UN World Summit on the Information Society is currently underway in Geneva. This report on WSIS is now available at the IP3 website: "Understanding WSIS: An Institutional Perspective on the UN World Summit on the Information Society" http://www.ip3.gatech.edu WSIS is hard to understand. The 2003 Geneva meeting of the UN World Summit on the Information Society has brought thousands of people to Geneva to articulate a collective vision about the benefits and potentials of information in society and the policies needed to realize them. Even immediate participants have difficulty understanding what has been achieved. With so many recommendations, which ones will lead to concrete political action and social change? What is important and why? To help answer such questions, this report provides an institutional analysis of WSIS. It focuses on two main features: its characteristics as a policy forum and the mechanisms available to it for policy implementation. This institutional analysis is then applied to a set of WSIS policies to identify those with the greatest potential to lead to social change. Two policies stand out: Internet governance and security. The WSIS forum is well suited to bestow legitimacy on a proposal to alter the existing Internet governance regime, and the available implementation mechanisms are well suited to put such a proposal into practice. Likewise, WSIS is an appropriate forum for promulgating a global agreement on security, and the available implementation mechanisms are also suitable. Other policy topics considered are: free and open software, communication rights, intellectual property, human rights, and funding. To say these policies are good candidates for action is not to say that they necessarily will be endorsed and implemented. Nonetheless, by identifying issues that "fit" the world summit institution, this analysis can help set priorities for action and to gain understanding of outcomes. Report available at: http://www.ip3.gatech.edu The Internet and Public Policy Project (IP3) promotes Internet policy-related research in the School of Public Policy at Georgia Tech. It promotes dialogue between researchers within and outside the Institute, offering forums for debate and discussion. This report is a joint project between IP3 and Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (www.CPSR.org) with funding from the Open Society Institute distributed through the Internet Democracy Project. Additional funding came from the Georgia Tech President Undergraduate Research Award Program. -- Nations Chafe at U.S. Influence Over the Internet By JENNIFER L. SCHENKER, International Herald Tribune PARIS, Dec. 7 - Paul Twomey, the president of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, found out what it feels like to be voiceless. On Friday night, Mr. Twomey, who flew 20 hours to Geneva from a meeting in Vietnam to take part in a preparatory session for this week's United Nations summit meeting on Internet issues, was escorted to the exit of the meeting room by guards after participants suddenly decided to exclude observers. The move underscores the wrath of countries that for years have been unhappy with what they perceive as their voicelessness over how the Internet is run and over United States ownership of key Internet resources. It also foretells the level of criticism that both the United States government and the Internet Corporation, or Icann, may face at the United Nations meeting, one of the largest gatherings ever of high-level government officials, business leaders and nonprofit organizations to discuss the Internet's future. Formal meeting activities begin on Wednesday. Although more than 60 nations will be represented in Geneva by their heads of government, only a handful of industrial nations are sending their leaders. President Bush has no plans to attend, although the United States will be represented by other officials. To the great frustration of the international community, Icann, a group ordained by the United States to oversee the technical aspects of the Internet's address system, has been in a pole position of power since its formation in 1998, deciding such issues as when languages could be used as a communication tool by other nations. Mr. Twomey, reached by cellphone outside the conference room, said: "At Icann, anybody can attend meetings, appeal decisions or go to ombudsmen, and here I am outside a U.N. meeting room where diplomats - most of whom know little about the technical aspects - are deciding in a closed forum how 750 million people should reach the Internet. I am not amused." Mr. Twomey said he, representatives of the news media and anyone who was not a government official had been evicted from the meeting. During the United Nations gathering, an expected 5,000 representatives from intragovernmental, business and nonprofit organizations will try to devise an action plan for the next phase of the Internet, addressing issues like how to close the digital divide, supervise the Internet and deal with problems like spam and pornography on the Web. A principal point of debate will be whether the Internet should be overseen by the United Nations instead of American groups like Icann. Since the Internet first took root in the United States, American interests were given priority. For example, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology still has more Internet addresses than all of China, according to Lee McKnight, an associate professor at Syracuse University in New York and an M.I.T. research affiliate. By 2007, though, more than 50 percent of Web users will be Chinese, according to some forecasts. Talal Abu-Ghazaleh, a Jordanian businessman who is vice chairman of the United Nations Information and Communication Technology Task Force, said that "the world should be grateful to Uncle Sam for creating the Internet" but that it was time for the rest of the world to have a larger voice in its governance. Mr. Abu-Ghazaleh said he planned to present his own proposal for a new, more international management of Icann at a private meeting on Tuesday. To that end, all countries participating in the United Nations gathering agreed today that a working group should be set up under the auspices of the United Nations to examine Internet governance issues, including the question of whether more formal oversight of Icann by governments or intragovernmental agencies is necessary, said Marcus Kummer, the Swiss Foreign Ministry's delegate and head of the United Nations meeting's working group on Internet governance. Tuesday's private meeting will bring together heads of state from six African, five Middle Eastern, four European and two Asian countries as well as the United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, and Erkki Liikanen, the European Union's commissioner for enterprise and information society. Conspicuously absent from the list of invitees in the private meeting are Icann and the United States government, which has sent a delegation of 41 people to the Geneva meeting. High-profile Internet figures, including Nicholas Negroponte, Esther Dyson and Tim Berners-Lee, are expected to attend Tuesday's private meeting, as are senior executives from a variety of multinational companies, including America Online, Microsoft, Boeing, Siemens, Alcatel, Vodafone and the company that Abu-Ghazaleh heads, a Cairo-based services company called the Talal Abu-Ghazaleh Organization. The meeting will address four topics: Internet governance, the use of excess bandwidth to help development, connecting more people to communications networks and finding the appropriate technologies. At the heart of each of the four discussions will be the question of what role government and intragovernmental agencies should play. "The U.S. government position," a State Department spokesman said last week, "is that the Internet is coordinated and led by the private sector and should be private-sector-led. But we are committed to assuring that Icann remains balanced amongst all stakeholders." Many countries, however, do not agree with the argument that the United States has no control or that Icann adequately represents the Internet's global stakeholders. The United States government gave a two-year contract to Icann in 1998 and was then supposed to withdraw but has not. Mr. Abu-Ghazaleh plans to propose, at the private meeting, that Icann be placed under the umbrella of the United Nations communications task force, which gives equal status to government, private sector and nongovernmental organizations. Under his plan, the United States would have permanent presidency of an Icann oversight committee. The International Telecommunication Union, a United Nations agency, and the International Chamber of Commerce would also have permanent membership, as would the World Intellectual Property Organization and the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development. -- Radio Non Grata forced off the air Reporters Without Borders was today forced to suspend broadcasting of Radio Non Grata, the pirate station it launched yesterday in the Geneva area to protest against its exclusion from the World Summit on the Information Society that began yesterday in Geneva. Three officials from France's National Frequency Agency went to Ferney-Voltaire looking for Radio Non Grata's transmitter, which was located in a rural area. Reporters Without Borders decided to stop broadcasting because of the threat that all of its equipment would be seized. According to the group the purpose of the broadcasts was to condemn the organisation's exclusion from the summit and to publicise the violations of free expression on the Internet committed by many of the governments taking part. Radio Non Grata can still be heard on the Reporters Without Borders website : [http://www.radionongrata.info/] Source: http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=8774 - RFS -- Global media struggle to define 'freedom' Radio and TV broadcasters from over 100 countries are meeting in Geneva this week at the World Electronic Media Forum (WEMF), a parallel event to the UN World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS). Journalists from 250 broadcasters are debating the issues raised by the new global media environment with Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs) and activist groups. Speakers at the opening session agreed that freedom of the media is essential to build an open and inclusive information society, and to peace and development in general. In his opening address, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan expressed concern that although the electronic media were among the world's most important vehicles for peace, progress and solidarity, many millions of people were still outside their reach. But it is clear from the outset that what represents media freedom for some broadcasters is viewed by others as a licence to attack the legitimacy of elected governments. The World Electronic Media Forum sees its role as tackling some of the issues directly relevant to the media that are at risk of being marginalised at the main Information Society summit. The WEMF sessions, which end on Friday 12 December, are being broadcast world-wide through the Eurovision network. Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3306743.stm - bbc -- HUMAN RIGHTS CAUCUS CONCERNED ABOUT WSIS OUTCOME GENEVA, DECEMBER 7, 2003 -- The civil society Human Rights Caucus of the World Summit on the Information Society has many reasons to be concerned as thousands of delegates converge on Geneva for the World Summit. The Caucus, which includes more than 40 organisations, has been working since the first preparatory meetings 18 months ago to ensure that human rights are not left off the WSIS agenda. Our first concern is about the lack of political will to address the effective implementation of human right standards and how ICTs can serve to enforce these. Rather than forward-looking strategies that address the new potential and challenges posed by ICTs for human rights, time and resources have been spent on defending principles that were agreed upon 55 years ago. Even banal references to the Universal Declaration on Human Rights have been debated and contested right up until the last hour. This opportunity to bring the human rights agenda forward has been squandered. The caucus has been involved in WSIS precisely because it was an important opportunity to carry the human rights agenda forward. We aimed to actually translate human rights principles to the context of the information society. Unfortunately, our task has become defending the formal commitment to previously reached international consensus, that is, preventing complete backtracking on human rights. (More information on the caucus's interventions throughout the process can be found at www.iris.sgdg.org/actions/smsi/hr-wsis) The second concern of the Human Rights Caucus is the ongoing deplorable human rights situation in Tunisia, scheduled to host phase 2 of the Summit in 2005. The caucus joins many others in rejoicing that webmaster Zouhair Yahyaoui has been conditionally released and hopes that he and others imprisoned for exercising their human rights will be free from official harassment and intimidation. The caucus considers this first move on the part of the Tunisian government a step in the right direction. But this does not change the fact that there are very serious problems remaining to be solved in order for WSIS Phase Two to take place in Tunisia in acceptable conditions. The most significant problems are the lack of freedom of speech and freedom of information, the tight controls on the use of the internet, the strict control over the media, and the constant intimidation and harassment of people who dare to criticize the regime, however mildly. The human rights caucus will be active throughout the Summit this week in Geneva. Amongst other activities, the Caucus is a co-sponsor of the World Forum on Communication Rights in the Information Society, to take place on December 11 at Palexpo. With well-known human rights leaders from countries where the information society is tightly controlled (Souhayr Belhassen from OMCT and the Tunisian Human Rights League and Sharon Hom from Human Rights in China) in addition to keynote Aminata Traoré, the session promises an excellent overview of some of the most contentious issues of the Summit. The programme can be found here: www.communicationrights. It takes place in Palexpo, Salle Mont-Blanc, starting from 9:30am. -- WSIS Bureau d'études project: http://utangente.free.fr/geneva/1-controlmov-A4.PDF http://utangente.free.fr/geneva/2-socinfomil-A3.PDF http://utangente.free.fr/geneva/5-dirsocinfo-A1.pdf http://utangente.free.fr/geneva/4-guerreinfo-A3.pdf others maps : http://utangente.free.fr/ -- From: "Garth Graham" <garth.graham@telus.net> Subject: [wsis] Assuming the GCNP position This is not an attempt to contribute to the December 2003 WSIS, but rather to begin thinking about Global Community Networks Partnership (GCNP) action leading up to WSIS 2005. During the early stages of the preparation for WSIS, there were several relatively unconnected and unresolved discussions about the need for a GCNP position. Recently, several of us, Mike Gurstein, Sergei Stafeev, Matt Wenger and myself, decided to see if we could gather these threads together in the hopes of rekindling that debate. The results of our efforts are now available at: Notes toward a GCNP position in the ongoing WSIS process. http://globalcn.tc.ca/gcnp-demurs3/ As you will realize when reading that document, our decision to revisit GCNP position drafting was motivated, in part, by the recent appearance of the separate Civil Society Declaration. We still believe that GCNP experience points toward significant principles structuring an Information Society that are not yet present in the Civil Society Declaration, and not at all present in the WSIS process overall. The next step would seem to be a mechanism for some people to arrive at rough consensus on the content of a position and a plan for its expression under the umbrella of GCNP. We are aware that the principles we outline may mean surfacing tensions in GCNP about its role and purposes that remain poorly articulated, never mind resolved. You might then automatically assume that the second step was to engage somehow with the WSIS Civil Society Groups to influence an expansion of the common position. Our own happy band of drafters has only achieved a rough consensus that a wider debate needs to occur, not where that might lead. Garth Graham garth.graham@telus.net 25-118 Aldersmith Place Victoria, BC, Canada, V9A 7M9 250-721-5494 -- Everyone is an expert presents: Migration, labour, media and organizing --The back side of the information society Saskia Sassen, Chicago/London Valery Alzaga, Mexiko City/Denver Myoingjoon Kim, Seoul and many others TUESDAY DECEMBER 9 2003 Workshop starting at 1 pm Presentations at 7 pm Université Ouvrière de Genève Place des Grottes Geneva (CH) (50 meters from the railway station) What does migrant workers struggle have to do with the information society? How can information and communication technologies empower social struggles on a global level? What's the link between the campaigns for freedom of communication and the fight for freedom of movement? On the eve of the UN summit on the information society the EVERYONE IS AN EXPERT association calls to a debate about issues that are not present on the agenda of neither govermental nor non-governmental organizations: migration, labour, and organizing Tabooing the so called dirty side of the information society comes as no surprise: It refers to a naive view on technology and development but also responds to the real threat and manifolded impact of migration patterns to the existing world order. Migration is not just a collateral damage of global capitalism nor a dispensable side-effect of the information society: The political power of exodus and refusal is subverting the souvereignity of both the nation states as well as the new regimes of hyper-exploitation on a global level. As globalization from below, migration movements constitute a global resistance against old and new economies and their modes of exclusion, repression, division, separation, detention and selection. Migration is the subjective, most pragmatic and realistic attempt, to overcome a divide, no matter if it is conceived as digital or analog. COMBATING THE MANAGEMENT PARADIGM Digital rights management, the intellectual property discourse and copyright issues refer more than accidentially to the postmodern concepts of border management, migration control and racism. FROM THE MOUNTAINS TO THE SCYSCRAPERS Offside of the information highways there are numerous tracks and trails, where migrants carry revolutionary experiences from the periphery to the metropolitan centers and create hybrids of social resistance. VIRTUAL ORGANIZING AND AD-HOC NETWORKING Collaborative research projects, migrant rights campaigns and worker centers form new organizing models that respond to corporate attacks on organizing, make creative use of new technologies and reach out far beyond the idea of unity and union. This event has been organized ad-hoc and very spontaneously. It is meant rather as an strategic discussion than a conference. Therefore the schedule is split up into two parts: - A series of presentations by researchers, theorists, labour as well as media-activists focusing on strategic questions of freedom of movement, freedom of communication, corporate attacks on labor and human rights, the multitudes and the constitutive elements of global struggles - A workshop on strategies with participants from various different backgrounds presenting upcoming campaigns and projects, such as the high-tech campaign of justice for janitors or the noborder-tour in summer 2004. Check out the stream at: http://www.thistuesday.org http://www.weseize.org http://www.geneva03.org -- Alles nicht so schlimm (Florian Rötzer) http://www.telepolis.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/te/16250/1.html Kurz vor dem Weltgipfel zur Informationsgesellschaft weist die ITU in einem Bericht darauf hin, dass die "digitale Spaltung" zwischen reichen und armen Ländern gar nicht so schlimm und die Schließung der "statistischen Spaltung" doch viel dringender sei. -- From: "Garth Graham" <garth.graham@telus.net> For some time now, I have participated in a variety of conversations about what it means to be in transition to an "information society." Some of those conversations have served also to reflect broadly on the role and purpose of Telecommunities Canada TC) and the Global Community Networks Partnership (GCNP). I have also been engaged in contract policy research related to questions of governance online. What I have sought to do, both through my participation and my policy research, is learn how to express and contribute a community networking view of that transition. Recently, I've completed an essay that attempts to blend together the two themes of governance and community online into a sort of theory. The essay can be viewed or downloaded from: http://www.tc.ca/tcadvocacyandreports.html On that page, look for the title: "COMMUNITY UNGROUNDED: GOVERNANCE, LEARNING AND SOCIAL CHANGE ONLINE." There are many people who have made a transition to a daily life heavily influenced by being online and who, consequently, can see the world with Internet eyes. It has always felt curious to me how little the worldviews of those people have been able to influence the agenda of the World Summit on the Information Society, or in my own country, Canada, any of several national dialogues on strategies and public policies to inform our own processes of transition. A reflection that blends those two themes of governance and community online surfaces a variety of issues that should be on the WSIS agenda and are not, even in the draft Civil Society counter position. Garth Graham garth.graham@telus.net 25-118 Aldersmith Place Victoria, BC, Canada, V9A 7M9 250-721-5494 # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net