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Re: <nettime> opencontent.org dissolves and stalls its licenses Tim McCormick <tim@tjm-nospam.org> Heiko Recktenwald <uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:31:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim McCormick <tim@tjm-nospam.org> Subject: Re: <nettime> opencontent.org dissolves and stalls its licenses I agree with Florian's concern: this announcement of the "closing of Opencontent" seems to signal that a concept has been disproved or given up on, and might tend to undermine the work people have done in association with the term and with the OPL license. While there are no doubt good reasons for joining efforts with the well-organized and -funded Creative Commons, I think that the practical side shouldn't be confused with the conceptual project of settling on and evangelizing the *terms*, whether Open Content, Copyleft, or whatever. On the conceptual front, I believe that with Open Content, we're in about the same place that Open Source was ten years ago: there are competing terms floating around, few people have even heard of it, many who do hear of it dismiss the basic principle out of hand (copyleft facilitating the creation of content other than code), and the terminological confusion hampers the wider dissemination of and examination of the idea. > The Creative Commons licenses, in my view, are not > an alternative because they are too many and > incompatible to each other, thus creating confusion > and preventing exchange between work copylefted > under its terms. right, aside from the practical issue of interchange, the variety of licenses means that you absolutely need an overarching term, by which people can discuss the concept -- just as people now say "open source" in most contexts, where the distinctions between GPL and BSD and Apache licenses would be unimportant. So, what are the contenders -- analogous to "Free Software" and "Open Source" -- in this battle for terminology? There's the "commons" idea, being promoted of course by Creative Commons, and also in the work of Public Knowledge/David Bollier and James Boyle, among others. On the pro side, it's an appealing moral concept, and suggests strong helpful metaphors (the village commons) and historical traditions (the Anti-Enclosure movement, for example), and it brings together a lot of different constituencies. However, it's not very precise -- it could be understood to mean simply Public Domain, doesn't make the probably useful distinction between code and non-code, and also covers a broad array of other issues such as oil drilling on public land. Also, the historical/ideological baggage can be a disadvantage in many situations, just as "Free software" was deemed to be unsuitable for use around some portion of the Capitalists. "Free Culture" is rather vague, and perhaps a bit revolutionary -- see Capitalist objection above. There's "copyleft": excellently clever inversion of "copyright", but certainly not widely known, and applies neutrally to code or non-code. "Open Content": nice piggy-backing upon the now well-propagated term Open Source, and it focuses attention on matters other than software code. Minus points for possible odiousness of how term "content" gets used in new-media settings. In my opinion, however, it's probably the best suggestion so far, because it's somewhat but not explicitly suggestive of the moral issues, and can be given a precise, process-oriented definition, analogous to Open Source. My $0.02, Tim ----- Tim McCormick http://www.tjm.org On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Florian Cramer wrote: > As can be read on Slashdot > <http://slashdot.org/articles/03/07/01/1247224.shtml?tid=99> and <...> <snip> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:56:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald <uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Subject: Re: <nettime> opencontent.org dissolves and stalls its licenses Maybe the opencontent license is copyrighted? It is a label anyway. On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Francis Hwang wrote: > Florian, is there anything to prevent you or somebody else from taking > up the OPL and maintaining it without David Wiley's involvement? So If it was ever good, it is also good without opencontent.org, H. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net