<nettime> war on everything digest [___, shren]

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Re: <nettime> the war has already started
     ". __ ." <mail_box@gmx.net>
     shren <shren@io.com>

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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 22:15:13 +0100
From: ". __ ." <mail_box@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: <nettime> the war has already started

Just some thoughts about the economic crash...

I think it is not one event that shatters the belief in an 
institution/concern etc... these doctorings were going on for quite some 
time and symbols were shattered and created anew (remember Swiss Air just 
recently...) and the economy was never that influenced as a whole... it is 
the total of all these little events which may well bring down our nice 
little system and kill the slight economic impulse we need to get the whole 
thing going again - and what we need most is enthusiasm and belief in the 
system - but how can one be optimistic with these prospects... 
war,citiziens ignored by the very people they voted for and no common 
effort to turn the rudder around but instead an artificially created divide 
between the US, the EU, inside the Eu... you get the point...

so, good night,

cheers,

g

At 19:36 28.02.03 +0100, calin wrote:

>A few disparate thoughts about the latest collective fantasies.
>
>I happened to be in Madrid on that Saturday of February 15 in what
>turned out to be THE place if one wanted to enjoy the anti-war global
>party. Around 2.000.000 people attended a huge manifestation, that went
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:56:41 -0600 (CST)
From: shren <shren@io.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> the war has already started

On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, calin wrote:

> And it all gets back and turns around the WAR, of course. In private, 
> people in the Netherlands are worried and slightly confused. A good 
> friend, mother of two, was saying with amazement: "I do not know what I 
> believe anymore, really. I understand that all that looks wrong, but 
> deep inside I feel that it should just happen, quickly, so that we can 
> get over it and go on with our lives. I might be egoistic, but I fear a 
> deep recession if all this continues." We all fear the deepening of 
> recession in a country that was for too long getting used to a too good 
> life, and learn to spend over the income, make debts, get high loans 
> etc. On the other hand nobody REALLY believes that once the war is over 
> things will get better. Five years is a minimum term that most of the 
> people (with more or less expertise) put to the recession to reach its 
> bottom.

  I sometimes cannot help but think that a government is like
a car.  Change the oil all you like, check your tires at will,
pay for the regular mantience if you must, but at some point
your car will stop working, of sheer age.

  No one thing fails - for if it did, you could fix that.
Rather, it's a hundred things, wear and tear.  In a government,
these hundred things are obligations, broken programs that
nobody is willing to cancel, military entanglements.  Can
you really undo these things as fast as they build up?  And
if not, what then?  Do you burn out or fade away?

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