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Re: William Gibson's "Pattern Recognition" and Ethnomathematics
     Paul D. Miller <anansi1@earthlink.net>
     Paul D. Miller <anansi1@earthlink.net>
     J-D marston <mars0139@umn.edu>
     Paul D. Miller <anansi1@earthlink.net>

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:57:18 -0500
From: "Paul D. Miller" <anansi1@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: William Gibson's "Pattern Recognition" and Ethnomathematics

Hey rana, sigh... Greg - I'm talking about stuff like what Lawrence 
Lessig would call "artificial scarcity" or what NAS would call 
"ILLmatic" - i.e. systems that control, configure, and ultimately 
absorb the kind of "free imagination" that Debord was relating in his 
"Society of the Spectacle." It seems pretty clear, but hey, this is 
Nettime and that means I'll spell it out... In a world where values 
are relative, the uniform language of advertising creates pattern 
recognition across geographic boundaries (thus the reference to 
Gibson's new novel, and it's intriguing involution of advertising... 
think rhizomatic...), but yeah, when this stuff is part and parcel of 
the basic way visual information flows in an information economy. 
Advertising just bypasses the normal boundaries that slow down 
information as it passes from one culture to another, you know, kind 
of like when the immune system is bypassed by various viruses... 
"viral marketing" Norman Mailer's "Advertising for Myself," dude... 
it's the taste of now. Carnival is about when you're in a theater of 
highly structured roles being transformed by their environment, check 
in with Brazil, or Jamaica etc etc Or even parts of Italy, France, 
Spain etc etc the scenario is about lifestyle become pattern... it's 
that post-catholic thing..,. the protestant scene digs the gutenberg 
galaxy, but can't flow with the intergalactic funk of the 
meta-tron... there's no "surfeit of imagination" here just 
transformation of ritual process... Bakhtin meets Grand Master Flash 
meets Linus Torvalds... dig? check the coordinates on the autopilot, 
download the map, it's a psychogeography of a vanished world, a 
krushed groove...

I mentioned steganography, ciphaz, and a whole bunch of other 
stuff... so many people have written about identity and whatnot 
on-line, the thing I'm pointing out is when that stuff migrates 
off-line, and comes back as a kind of constant, timeless carnival - 
in a world post the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, history is a 
carnival-o-meanings (that's about the only thing thatI can think of 
as real when I see Bush on TV), a pageant without center, save for 
the illusion of what was once the United States before it caught up 
with Russia and just decided to get rid of the burden of goverance 
and just let the oligarch's do their thing... there's a great video 
remix of Bush's state of the union speech at www.fuckitall.com/bsh


that gives you  a surface idea of the "culture jammer" scenario (not 
the dumb Mark Dery resonance, but more like 2manydj's or the gurella 
news network's remix of Emminem's song "White America", or Trent Lott 
saying those dumb comments about the 1948 states rights elections - 
all are mistakes, fractures in the perceptual terrain - remixes).



pattern recogntion, uncut funk - the new streets have spoken - and 
its in code.... dig the cipha, check the flow.I guess it's like 
Ishmael Reed would say, mumbo jumbo become jumbo mumbo - the mumbo 
become extra-large...
think out-side the box, join the revolution choose adifferent 
brand... wander the arcades of a dofferent era in wonder at the 
complexity of itall. Press "play."  Enjoy adifferent mathematics of 
the new world out of time... download into a different cipha... the 
people are restive in the heart of darkness... the 4th world has 
artists of the floating world... it's a conflict of interest from a 
failed client state, a "material breach" of a voided contract... 
snactions from the 5th column decreeing null and void all previous 
illusions.

pax,

Paul

>DJ Spooky - WHAT are you talking about???
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:18:29 -0500
From: "Paul D. Miller" <anansi1@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: William Gibson's "Pattern Recognition" and Ethnomathematics 

J - not sure what you mean. Situationnist material? Advertising? Or 
"Spooky" - who is a character in my upcoming novel? Please clarify 
what this has to do with your comments. This kind of stuff is mad 
boring.

Paul

>  > DJ Spooky - WHAT are you talking about???
>  >
>  > >Gibson understands ADVERTISING as a kind of
>  > > Situationist
>  > > detournement
>
>Wasn't it "Spooky that Sublimated Kid" who lent himself to the inspired GAP
>advertisements here in Manhattan a year or so ago?  Its all posture, and it
>really is Spooky.
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Office Mailing Address:

Subliminal Kid Inc.
101 W. 23rd St. #2463
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:34:04 CST
From: J-D marston <mars0139@umn.edu>
Subject: Re: William Gibsons Pattern Recognition and Ethnomathematics 

Paul aka Subliminal Inc.,

All three actually. 

First, I was responding to the gaseous nature of your post concerning the
intersections of advertising and freewheeling-'droppin-science' coded
languages of the 'NOW' a'la sitiuationist conceptuals; moreover, how that
relates to the fiberous nature of 'the old left'... 

Second, I wanted to point out the interesting point that Spooky (being you,
not the character of your upcoming novel) was an organ of the GAP campaign
-- or as you like to put it, the global vernacular of GAP Inc. -- here in
New York City. I'm not saying it compromises your ability to comment with
any depth, as there are many cult studs that are busy deciphering the
semilogical and linguisic markers of advertising. But to me, that is just
'mad boring'. Its the surface. The spectacle. The depthless sheen of
unreality. Kinda like your comments. The real language is in finance and
economics, not hidden in the models bra. 

You think the 'old left' is petrified. You're not alone. You think the left
should study Diesel ads to be 1. alot smarter  2. alot more dynamic? You
are alone, I hope. 

And actually, there are folks in Kansas, but what would they matter to the
'NOW.'

J

On 25 Feb 2003, Paul D. Miller wrote:

> J - not sure what you mean. Situationnist material? Advertising? Or 
> "Spooky" - who is a character in my upcoming novel? Please clarify 
> what this has to do with your comments. This kind of stuff is mad 
> boring.
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:06:19 -0500
From: "Paul D. Miller" <anansi1@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: William Gibsons Pattern Recognition and Ethnomathematics 

J - you're kind of right. Yes, I did do the ads, and yes, I've done 
others. I also try to get other kinds of information out.

My name is Paul D. Miller. Dj Spooky is a conceptual art project, not 
a "gaseous" situation. If you have more of an idea of the notion of 
how pop culture works, think of it as a hybrid of what Marcel Duchamp 
was working on with the "Rrose C'est La Vie" persona, or Andy Warhol. 
Just metaphors, but metaphors that work in a large scale global 
environment. The phrases I used were samples taken from

1. Saul Williams single with Dj Krust "Coded language"

2. a couple of old hip-hop singles...

if you'd like to compare notes on how people use this kind of 
quotation in hip-hop vernacular, and many other forms of folk 
culture, I'd be more than happy to dialog 'bout it.


there's a relatively shrill and annoying sheen to your comments, and 
if you'd like to dialog rather than have some annoying rant about 
stuff you don't know about, I'm open, otherwise - fuck off.


>Paul aka Subliminal Inc.,
>
>All three actually.
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"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe 
they are free...."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe


Port:status>OPEN
wildstyle access: www.djspooky.com

Paul D. Miller a.k.a. Dj Spooky that Subliminal Kid

Office Mailing Address:

Subliminal Kid Inc.
101 W. 23rd St. #2463
New York, NY 10011

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