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ADV: Enjoy a spam-free inbox Spam Arrest <info@spamarrest.com> Spam Arrest <info@spamarrest.com> Re: Okay, that does it -- Armageddon is too good for us Carl Guderian <carlg@vermilion-sands.com> Re: <nettime> Okay, that does it -- Armageddon is too good for us Florian Cramer <cantsin@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Re: admin note/RFC: 'antispam' services and nettime Benjamin Geer <ben@beroul.uklinux.net> Francis Hwang <sera@fhwang.net> Re: Okay, that does it -- Armageddon is too good for us "N Jett" <njett@hotmail.com> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Spam Arrest <info@spamarrest.com> To: Announcer <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net> Subject: ADV: Enjoy a spam-free inbox Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:14:44 -0800 You may remember recently sending an email to a Spam Arrest customer, <...> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Spam Arrest <info@spamarrest.com> To: "nettime's_roving_reporter" <nettime@bbs.thing.net> Subject: ADV: Enjoy a spam-free inbox Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:14:44 -0800 You may remember recently sending an email to a Spam Arrest customer, <...> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:01:19 +0100 From: Carl Guderian <carlg@vermilion-sands.com> Subject: Re: <nettime> Okay, that does it -- Armageddon is too good for us It's the boiler room, squeezed out of meatspace into cyberspace. Telemarketers used to sell a service to take you of national dial lists, claiming to have the "kill codes." Spammers are one-person boiler rooms, and they pick up where the modern boiler operation, studied in Stevenson's "Boiler Rooms and Other Telephone Scams" (1998) left off. For all that Extropian prattle over evolving into virtuality, it's the boiler rooms that have truly achieved it. Carl Bruce Sterling wrote: > *Why am I getting spam from Spam Arrest? > Is mankind devoid of shame? -- bruces <...> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:11:24 +0100 From: Florian Cramer <cantsin@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: <nettime> admin note/RFC: 'antispam' services and nettime Am Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2003 um 00:57:02 Uhr (-0500) schrieb nettime's_janitors: > thoughts? Nettimers looking for a working, non-intrusive spam filter should have a serious look at SpamAssassin <http://spamassassin.org/>, a free software tool (under the Perl Artistic License) available for Unix-like operating systems and, in combination with a local POP3 proxy, for Windows (see <http://mcd.perlmonk.org/pop3proxy/>). For MacOS X installation instructions, see <http://rhumba.pair.com/ben/docs/sa.html>. Among network administrators, SpamAssassin is widely considered the only working solution against spam. As it is written in Perl, it creates high CPU loads though and is a solution for client PCs rather than for mail servers themselves. On Unix-like operating systems, I would recommend using SpamAssassin in conjunction with procmail, i.e. filter mailing lists through procmail first and only the rest with SpamAssassin, like: :0fw | spamassassin :0: * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes $HOME/Mail/junk -F -- http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~cantsin/homepage/ http://www.complit.fu-berlin.de/institut/lehrpersonal/cramer.html GnuPG/PGP public key ID 3200C7BA, finger cantsin@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Benjamin Geer <ben@beroul.uklinux.net> Subject: Re: <nettime> admin note/RFC: 'antispam' services and nettime Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:10:38 +0000 On Thursday 13 February 2003 5:57 am, nettime's_janitors wrote: > but a better solution, we think, is to automatically unsubscribe anyone > subscriber who misconfigures a spam-blocking account. if the person values > nettime (or any other affected list), then s/he can sort out the problem; > if not, oh well. As someone who administers a lot of lists, I agree completely. As the number of subscribers (and lists) per list admin increases, the list admin simply cannot scale well enough to sort out everyone's subscription and mail delivery issues for them. I do my best, particularly when a subscriber knows there's a problem, and writes to the admin address to ask for help. In general, though, I think the only practical approach is to remind people to heed the advice of RFC 1855 (Netiquette Guidelines) [1] -- 'It is your responsibility to learn how the lists work' -- and to unsubscribe them when you can't send them email because their Hotmail inbox is full, or when their 'I'm on vacation' message is spamming everyone who posts to the list, etc. In practice, someone who cares about receiving mail from nettime will surely notice that they haven't received any in a while, and will either suspect that their spam filter is at fault, or at least ask the nettime moderators for help. I'd recommend putting something in the 'welcome to nettime' email, in all caps with lots of asterisks around it, asking people to make sure that mail from nettime will get through their spam filter. You could even have two addresses for writing to the nettime admins: the standard one, which would just send an auto-reply containing a nettime FAQ (including the info about spam filters), and another, harder-to-find one for people whose question isn't in the FAQ. Ben [1] http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:43:47 -0500 From: Francis Hwang <sera@fhwang.net> Subject: Re: <nettime> admin note/RFC: 'antispam' services and nettime I'm not sure if this sort of solution will catch on, in the long-term. I suppose if you're a casual net user who doesn't often get contacted by strangers for legit reasons this is fine. But anybody who has any significant online presence is bound to get contacted by strangers for legit reasons -- hell, it happens to me at least once a week -- and it seems really rude to me to tell them "prove to me you're a human before I look at your message." If you're really worried about it, do the tried-and-true solution of maintaining two email addresses: one for people you know, the other for the world-at-large. When you get a real email in your public inbox, tell them about the private addresses. Easier than maintaining a whitelist, that's for sure ... On the level of list-maintenance, I'm not sure how much of an annoyance this is. These verification emails probably get sent to the Reply-To or From address -- which on Nettime as on many other lists, should be the original poster, not the entire list. Which is Bruce Sterling got the verification email for posting something to Nettime. The Nettime folks themselves are probably receiving these emails when they send out emails to the list directly, making digests or announcements, directly. Is it even technically possible for these businesses to even whitelist a mailing-list? It's possible that their code may not have accounted for this circumstance. For non-bulk-email, your code's going to look at the Reply-To: or From: headers, since that's where the interesting data is. But for mailing lists, the interesting info is in the To: field, and they probably haven't bothered to account for that. Sloppiness is everywhere. I don't know if I would advise Nettime to unsubscribe people who use these services. That's more unnecessary work for the admins. Instead, it might be simply more effective to treat these messages as what they are: Another form of spam. You don't attack spam personally, you filter it. And you tell all your list subscribers how to filter it. (If you're posting to a mailing list, you open yourself up to major email-address harvesting anyway.) This spam, luckily enough, will be much easier to filter than most spam. It'll have consistent, non-forged headers. Ignoring it should be a piece of cake. Francis - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: "N Jett" <njett@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: <nettime> Okay, that does it -- Armageddon is too good for us Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:41:12 +0000 Shame has been going out of fashion since at least the Enlightenment; and isn't it doubly ironic that their spam has now been shared with all of us on nettime? Rather effective at spreading itself... :) Not that I'm making accusations - I was spammed with that Bush/Iraq as Nigerian Banking Scam and forwarded it along to my coworkers. 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