<nettime> More an Greek Gamers [3x]

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   hors sujet ou presque                                                           
     lagadu@altern.org                                                               

   Re: <nettime> ban this digest [recktenwald, myers]                              
     Heiko Recktenwald <uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>                                 

   Greek Gamers                                                                    
     Kai Howells <kai.howells@icorp.com.au>                                          



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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:15:59 +0200
From: lagadu@altern.org
Subject: hors sujet ou presque



Un petit échange extrait de nettime sur le sujet de la Grèce ayant, vous
avez du entrevoir ça, interdit les jeux vidéo pour les enfants.
Réjouissant et instructif

Chris

> > And just how long can such a *completely* absurd law last?

(http://www.gameland.gr/lawenglish.htm being the link referred to in the
original post, for those, like me, who had forgotten what the hell we were
on about here.)

> Is is not "completely absurd", the greeks dont want online casinos.

The Greeks don't want online casinos. So they've banned Space Invaders. If
that's not absurd, I have a bridge to sell you across the Thames in
London. Very good price.

(Unless I've misunderstood. Have I misunderstood? I hope I've
misunderstood. I want to have misunderstood. But I don't think I've
misunderstood.)

> The rest is polemic.

Ah, come on. Banning all arcade games because you want to ban gambling
games? Why, that's like banning all file sharing because you want to ban
file sharing of copyrighted materi...

Oh.

Shit.

Cheers,

Wane


- -- 
Wayne Myers
http://www.waz.easynet.co.uk/


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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:35:46 +0200 (CEST)
From: Heiko Recktenwald <uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>
Subject: Re: <nettime> ban this digest [recktenwald, myers]

> > And just how long can such a *completely* absurd law last?
> 
> Is is not "completely absurd", the greeks dont want online casinos.
> 
> The Greeks don't want online casinos. So they've banned Space Invaders.
<...>
> > The rest is polemic.
> 
> Ah, come on. Banning all arcade games because you want to ban gambling
> games? Why, that's like banning all file sharing because you want to
> ban file sharing of copyrighted materi...

Agreed ;-) So lets the courts draw the line.

And lets define "completely".

To me the most important thing is inhowfar such "completely absurd" laws
are obeyed. What do people do? Do they ignore such stuff? As far as it
would be applied to space invaders.

What is the position of the game industry?

Sharing games, had not thought about that but it had also been a topic in
Berlin (lan parties..)


H.


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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:27:43 +1000
From: Kai Howells <kai.howells@icorp.com.au>
Subject: Greek Gamers

from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2249656.stm

A court in Greece has thrown out the case against two internet cafe owners
accused of breaking a law banning computer games.

The ruling is the first of its kind in Greece and sets the courts on a
collision course with the state.


Legislation passed in July banned people from playing video games in
public places like internet cafes as part of a drive to stamp out illegal
gambling.

The law has been criticised for not making a distinction between
interactive gambling and computer games.

The court, in its ruling, said the law was unconstitutional.

- -- kai


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