<nettime> i strongly disagree with your digest [perlman, burack v haubens]

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Richard Perlman <perl@lucent.com>
     Re: <nettime>  Re: I strongly disagree with your policy
Martin Burack <marty@burack.nu>
     Fwd: Re: <nettime>  Re: I strongly disagree with your policy

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Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 10:22:15 -0700
From: Richard Perlman <perl@lucent.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime>  Re: I strongly disagree with your policy

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Ms. Hauben:

It is unfortunate that you did not choose to contact me before mailing the
attached message or include me on the distribution.  You also have
apparently ignored the official response from ISOC issued yesterday
(attached: response.txt) which was sent to Jay Robert Hauben
<jrh29@columbia.edu>.  Had you read the response or contacted me you would
have known that Foretec had no knowledge regarding any incidents that may
have happened during INET2001.  Their decision was based solely on the date
of application, the number of press passes remaining and information about
your publication provided by your organization.

There was no change in the reason the Amateur Computerist was denied press
credentials. However, there was a clarification: Only the four remaining
press slots were reserved for high visibility media.  The letter sent to
your organization incorrectly implied that all 50 press passes were reserved
for high visibility media. That was an error, for which we apologize.

Further, if you carefully read the messages which relate opinions regarding
INET2001, you will note that at no point do any of the authors claim that
those events lead or even related to the recent decision regarding INET2002.
The authors of the messages regarding INET2001 were simply expressing their
personal opinions regarding your organization, an action I am sure you would
understand and defend.

I would hope that you will now act as a responsible journalist and give fair
circulation to our official response and also issue a retraction for the
incorrect statements you have made regarding this matter.

Richard Perlman
ISOC - VP of Conferences

>> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:32:26 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: ronda@ais.org (Ronda Hauben)
>> To: mbyrd@foretec.com, nettime-l@bbs.thing.net
>> Subject: Re: <nettime>  Re: I strongly disagree with your policy
>> Cc: geert@xs4all.nl
>> 
>> I thought it would be helpful to respond to the recent ISOC official
>> explanation about why they wouldn't give a press pass to the Amateur
>> Computerist editors for INET'2002.
 <...>

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Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:02:10 -0400
From: Martin Burack <marty@burack.nu>
Subject: Fwd: Re: <nettime>  Re: I strongly disagree with your policy

Ronda,

If Foretec had asked me, I'd have told them not to issue press 
credentials.  But they didn't.  And since they weren't involved in previous 
INETs, I'd be surprised if they ever knew anything about the A.C.'s actions 
at those.  Institutional memory in any organization is not a given.

No one ever said that was why you were denied press credentials, and it was 
disingenuous of you to suggest that it was.  I never said I was refusing to 
issue press credentials to the A.C. for INET2002; I don't have that 
authority.  But I supported the decision, regardless of the reason, because 
of past history.

Just in case you have forgotten what went on at INET'98, and your 1999 web 
site posting indicated back then that you had, below is a copy of the email 
I sent to Jay (while I was still employed by ISOC) following complaints 
after ISOC refused the A.C. press credentials for INET'99.  I spelled your 
name wrong, but everything else in there was correct.  I hope you will post 
this on your website, in the interest of providing full and fair disclosure.

Marty Burack

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:20:09 +0000
to: Jay Hauben <jay@dorsai.org>
from: Martin Burack <burack@isoc.org>
subject: Re: Discuss: Press Pass Request for INET99 Denied --Advice sought
cc: discuss@isoc-ny.org, craig

Since you have chosen to make this public, I will provide my comments
to the list.  At the moment, I don't recall your behavior at INET'98.
We received complaints from some session chairs about interruptive
behavior.  I don't recall if it was you, Rhonda, or both of you.
I vaguely recall hearing that one or more complaints involved you,
but not the specifics.  But I have a vivid memory of Rhonda Hauben's
behavior.  It was completely out of line for someone accredited as
a journalist and provided with a free pass.

I personally witnessed Rhonda button holing Ira Magaziner for 15 minutes
or so when he was on his way to a press conference and basically lecturing
and haranguing him.  He was too polite to just walk away.  I finally had to
ask him to go and join the press conference.  I then told her that she had
the choice of being a paid attendee or a journalist, and that any further
behavior of a similar nature would result in her being ejected.
Unfortunately, that was at the end of INET.  It was only then that I
was told about the other complaints.  Had I known earlier, her accreditation
would have been cancelled.  I was later told she carried on during parts of 
the IFWP plenary sessions, too, lecturing from an audience microphone.

It's not the role of a journalist to come to INET and debate people.  It's
one thing to ask provocative questions.  It's quite another to make political
speeches.  With all due respect to the Amateur Computerist, I personally am
against providing a free pass to anyone representing it, or to you or to
Rhonda.

Feel free to register as a paid attendant.

Martin Burack

At 12:53 PM 5/25/99 -0400, Jay Hauben wrote:
 >Hi,
 >
 >I attended INET98 as a reporter and editor of the Amateur Computerist and
 >as a champion of universal access to a communications Internet. I attended
 >many of the sessions, most of the press events and the IFWP meeting after
 >the INET98 conference. I interviewed and chatted with INET attendees from
 >all over the world. At the sessions I attended I tried to ask questions
 >that called attention to the value of universal access and to the Internet
 >as a communications medium more so than an e-commerce medium. I wrote a 
report
 >about the meeting which circulated on the net and which appeared in the
 >Amateur Compterist Vol 9 No 1 (http://www.ais.org/~jrh/acn/ACN9-1.txt). I
 >also emailed it to many of the people I met at INET98.
 >
 >On my last night in Geneva I sat around a table with about 8 people and
 >raised the question what we should do to support the development and
 >spread of the Internet. The answer that received the most support was
 >to become active in our local ISOC chapters and work for these chapters
 >to support efforts toward more universal access and for seeing the very
 >important non commercial aspects of the Internet like email and Usenet
 >newsgroups get more support. Some of us have tried to carry forward this
 >suggestion. I also felt our attendence at INET's was a way to keep the
 >question of the public essence of the Internet on the table.
 >
 >
 >I applied for a press pass to attend INET99 and got the following response:
 >
 >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
 >>From: "Craig Jelinek" <cjelinek@earthlink.net>
 >To: "Jay Robert Hauben" <jrh29@columbia.edu>
 >Subject: Re: Press Accreditation sought for INET99
 >Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:52:52 -0700
 >
 >Jay,
 >
 >Your press accreditation for INET'99 is declined based on your performance
 >at INET'98 in Geneva.  Your behavior was objectionable and not in line with
 >what is expected of journalists.  You and Ronda are welcome to register and
 >attend the conference as general attendees.
 >
 >Thank you,
 >Craig
 >
 >----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 >
 >I wonder to whom in ISOC I might appeal this denial. I am writing to Mr. 
Jelinek
 >for an explanation of his description of my attendence at INET98. But I feel
 >the issue is more important than me personally. It appears to me to be a
 >question of whether ISOC and its annual meeting are open to a spectrum
 >of opinions and reporters or are in fact closed to any but those who accept
 >the commercial dominance of the Internet.
 >
 >I would appreciate any comments and suggestions from readers of this 
discussion
 >list and from others from within ISOC.
 >
 >Thanks.
 >
 >Jay

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>Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 10:22:15 -0700
>From: Richard Perlman <perl@lucent.com>
>Subject: Re: <nettime>  Re: I strongly disagree with your policy
>To: Ronda Hauben <ronda@ais.org>
>Cc: Melissa Byrd <mbyrd@foretec.com>, nettime-l@bbs.thing.net, 
>geert@xs4all.nl,
>         "'ISOC Board - Extended'" <isoc-board@isoc.org>
>
>Ms. Hauben:
>
>It is unfortunate that you did not choose to contact me before mailing the
>attached message or include me on the distribution.  You also have
>apparently ignored the official response from ISOC issued yesterday
>(attached: response.txt) which was sent to Jay Robert Hauben
><jrh29@columbia.edu>.  Had you read the response or contacted me you would
>have known that Foretec had no knowledge regarding any incidents that may
>have happened during INET2001.  Their decision was based solely on the date
>of application, the number of press passes remaining and information about
>your publication provided by your organization.
 <...>

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