<nettime> oh yeah? digest [skoric, wonehere, ana, sheetz, sanborn]

["nettime's_retort" <nettime@bbs.thing.net>]

   [mod note: we note a sharp spike in complaints about the uncivil 
    tone of comments on the israel/palestine conflict, both on- and
    off-list, and calls for more stringent moderation. a happier ap-
    proach would be for nettimers to think (or look) back to the ar-
    chives for fine examples of the various ways in which this list
    has dealt with past conflicts. cheers, t] 


"Ivo Skoric" <ivo@reporters.net>
     Re: Arafat Accountability Act
WoNereH@aol.com
     Re: <nettime> Media coverage in the USA and New York City
"ana l. =?iso-8859-1?Q?vald=E9s?=" <agora@algonet.se>
     about Oriana Fallacis article
Dan Sheetz <dan@goodfoodpro.com>
     Re: <nettime> the Gates of hell
Keith Sanborn <mrzero@panix.com>
     Re: Old Hates Fueled By Fear

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From: "Ivo Skoric" <ivo@reporters.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:40:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Arafat Accountability Act

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1927000
/1927974.stm

So, US Congress passes the bill holding Arafat accountable for not 
dismantling the Palestinian terrorist infrastructure. But, what do 
you do when the "terrorist infrastructure" is the entire population? 
Just wipe them all out? Ottoman Turks tried to deal with Serbian 
terrorism (what else were organizations like Black Hand?) like that 
for centuries, and they eventually lost the battle, so Israelis should 
be taking hints from history.
ivo

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From: WoNereH@aol.com
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:05:02 EDT
Subject: Re: <nettime> Media coverage in the USA and New York City

In a message dated 4/25/02 7:26:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mrzero@panix.com 
writes:

> This past weekend there was a major demonstration against human rights
> abuses by the Israeli government in "the Occupied Territories." 

Would you mind also letting us know about the human rights abuses by the 
Palestinians in the *Occupied Territories*?  Those only suspected of 
collaborating with Israel are tortured and dragged through the streets by 
fellow Palestinians.  Also, could you elaborate further on the human rights 
abuses in Israeli land by Palestinians?  Is blowing up civilians considered a 
human rights abuse?

Secondly, while you're doing your unbiased research into these matters, could 
you please find out for us why the UN hasn't confronted Russia on its heavy 
bombings in Chechnya - which apparently was far far greater than the section 
of Jenin the UN seems so obsessed about.

Thanks!
DG

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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:59:45 +0200
From: "ana l. =?iso-8859-1?Q?vald=E9s?=" <agora@algonet.se>
Subject: about Oriana Fallacis article


I find shameful and contradictory than a writer and journalist as objectiv
as Oriana Fallaci can let herself be carried out by some falacious
arguments. The most of my Jewish friends go now to the streets with
postcards "No in my name".  The Jews who fought against the fascism shake
in their graves seeing a Sionistic government led by a madman using the
same strategies the Nazies used against the Jews in 1933.  I was in Jenin
camp two days, I saw the devastation, the burned bodies of seven years old
children. They used the same tactic Liebermann used in the Warsowa ghetto,
told me a Jewish friend. When you can't win, you bomb.  Israel is fighting
the settlements war and the sionistic war, not the Jewish war for a
"lieberaum".

Regards
Ana L. Valdés

PS: somebody who knows Oriana Fallacis email, to send her my article
about Jenin?

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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:26:07 -0500
Subject: Re: <nettime> the Gates of hell
From: Dan Sheetz <dan@goodfoodpro.com>

I must say that I don't find it all that outrageous.  Though I am not a
particular supporter of the war in Afghanistan per se, I do not forget that
people who serve in the US military are doing a hellish job that I sure
wouldn't want to do.  It doesn't bother me terribly when I see those
commercials where some company thanks the men and women of the armed forces
for doing what they do.  I do find it more than a little smarmy when it
comes from a corporation seeking to improve its image, but it's no more
inappropriate for Microsoft Israel to do it than it is for Target to do it
here in the states.

My $.02

Dan Sheetz
Chicago, USA

> From: "ana l. valdés" <agora@algonet.se>
> Reply-To: "ana l. valdés" <agora@algonet.se>
> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:54:56 +0200
> To: "nettime-l@bbs.thing.net" <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
> Subject: Re: <nettime> the Gates of hell
> 
> This is the link on  Indynews with the picture:
 <...>

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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 02:36:10 -0400
From: Keith Sanborn <mrzero@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Old Hates Fueled By Fear

Dear John:

Namoi Klein is a perceptive individual. I think she is right to bring 
attention to the risiing tide of anti-semitism. Attacks on synagogues 
must be condemned and prevented; certainly, mosques in the us have 
enjoyed a large amount of police protection--though one wonders if it 
were not partially surveillance.

I do, however, find her attempt to tar indymedia.org with the brush 
of the ludicrous and evil anti-semitism of the well-known tsarist 
forgery, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, to be despicable.

Keith Sanborn

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