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Re: <nettime> murder
Carl Guderian <carlg@vermilion-sands.com>
Re: <nettime> murder
martha rosler <navva@earthlink.net>
Re: <nettime> murder [Graham, Holzer, Jwadmin, Robinson]
Heiko Recktenwald <uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>
Re: <nettime> murder [Graham, Holzer, Jwadmin, Robinson]
Heiko Recktenwald <uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:32:17 +0200
From: Carl Guderian <carlg@vermilion-sands.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> murder
It could have been the Army that made the arrest but were relieved by a goon
squad. I can't say anything for continuity between frames 3 & 4, but between 4
& 5 you can see what may be a wristwtch on the mans left wrist, and that's
certainly the same street corner in all five frames. That's pretty horrible,
but another source is wanted or at least better granularity The Zapruder film
was more granular and they're still arguing over that one.
If anyone's in Amstedam this Saturday, there's a march against the Israeli
invasions tomorrow at 2pm on the Dam.
Carl
dan s wang wrote:
> Hi Phil, I've received this from others in the past day. It seems to be
> making the rounds. I do have a question about the differences between the
> #3 and #4 frames.
>
> The Israeli military guys clearly are different--there are different sets
> of enforcers in each frame. That makes me wonder if the man being held is
> not also different in the two frames.
>
> Also, look at the vehicle visible at the top of the frames. It is
> similarly positioned in each frame, but in #3 the rear wheel has a rim or
> hubcap, in #4 the same wheel does not.
>
> There are other differences betweent the two frames, as well, such as
> lighting, etc.
>
> I can't disregard the series as pasted together definitively, but as a
> narrative sequence this may not be the best evidence of Israeli abuses, at
> least not in a minute-by-minute documentary kind of way.
>
> dan w.
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:23:11 -0400
From: martha rosler <navva@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: <nettime> murder
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>Subject: Re: <nettime> murder
>Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:48:50 -0400
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>These images have been in the media for at least three weeks. I saw them
>about that time ago on "Der Spiegel Online". However, there were more
>images. The last one shows the staging of the dead Palestinian as a
>suspected suicide bomber - with a robot approaching the (uncuffed) body.
>
>...
>
>OK, I found it. Here is the link (it's from 03/13/02):
>http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,186913,00.html
>
>--Dan
>
>on 4/12/02 5:04 PM, martha rosler at navva@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>>
>> i was prepared to discount what i was linking to, especially when I saw
>> that the language waas turkish (why turkish?) but it looks sadly
>> convincing. I wish I could find out more about this and other reports, the
>> most inflammatory of which I still do discount.
>> m
>>
>>
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>>> To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net
>>> From: Phil Graham <phil.graham@mailbox.uq.edu.au>
>>> Subject: <nettime> murder
>>> Sender: nettime-l-request@bbs.thing.net
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>>> Reply-To: Phil Graham <phil.graham@mailbox.uq.edu.au>
>>>
>>> I received the file located at http://www.philgraham.net/murder.html as a
>>> word attachment from a colleague on another list. I am waiting to hear
>>> specifics about its provenance. It contains very graphic, explicit scenes
>>> of violence, and is disturbing to say the least. With the talk of massacres
>>> and mass murder in Palestine, I felt I ought to post the page. As to its
>>> origin, date, place, and so on, I have no details whatsoever but will post
>>> them as soon as, or indeed if, I can. I will post any news about the page,
>>> especially if it is found to be inauthentic (which seems unlikely but
>>> possible).
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 11:50:31 +0200 (CEST)
From: Heiko Recktenwald <uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>
Subject: Re: <nettime> murder [Graham, Holzer, Jwadmin, Robinson]
> This has to stop. Heiko Recktenwald says it reminds him of South Vietnam.
> It had the same effect on me. I remember as a child the footage of the
> south vietnamese officer shooting a bound young man through the head in the
> middle of a street.
But I also dont think that such images are of any use when we all know the
much more brutal reality. homo hominis lupus and the art of peace. It is
not very usefull when we try to find a consensus. The israelis are on
this "and they took the land that the lord had given to them" trip while
the arab masses sing "Adolf Hilter very good". The borders of 67 ?
The holocaust can be misused in many ways...
Anyway, if we dont take the arabs serious, they will never have any
chance.
H.
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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:05:59 +0200 (CEST)
From: Heiko Recktenwald <uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>
Subject: Re: <nettime> murder [Graham, Holzer, Jwadmin, Robinson]
> Anyway, if we dont take the arabs serious, they will never have any
> chance.
The Supreme Court of Israel has stopped burying of dead palestinensians by
bulldozers. There will be pictures...
H.
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