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From: "Lachlan Brown" <lachlan {AT} london.com>
     It just gets worse....AIR-L
     AIR-L discusses Lachlan and then divides up his work between members.
     Re: St Columba...
     AoIR List - Trojan Horse time.

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From: "Lachlan Brown" <lachlan {AT} london.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:42:49 -0500
Subject: It just gets worse....AIR-L

The AIR List, an association of intenret scholars is having a little discussion
about the murder of Lachlan Brown
for asking too many questions and trying
to make people think. They branded him
a Troll, A Witch, and then manufactured a 
'sexist' accusation through an alias called 'Susan', and then unsubscribed him.

I wonder, is there anyone from the Department
of Media and Communications at Goldsmiths College from Spring 1998 in Nettime. Dejavu?

Lachlan




Air-l] Lachlan Brown 
Blanchard, Anita L air-l {AT} aoir.org 
Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:30:24 -0500 

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A note about the word troll:

A "troll" is a term used by virtual community users to describe someone who
comes into a group and tries to stir things up by posting outrageous
comments  about the topic of the group, attacking group members and thus
becoming the object of ire by the group.  I learned of this term from
interviewing participants of an athletic newsgroup/virtual community.  They
had several trolls (really and truly called trolls) who would post comments
such as "women should not compete in sports"--clearly a comment made to draw
attention, albeit negative. from the group.

I am not sorry that our first troll is gone.  I don't mind moderation:  on
ISWorld we recieve messages a few times a day as the moderators read and
approve them.  I like knowing that i'm now in "ISWorld mode" and will
receive their emails.  Of course, I am not a very active poster, and others
may have different views about the moderation thing.

I do think the whole idea of "trolling" is fascinating.  Why do they do what
they do?  Why go into a group to rile folks up?!  Although I could not
interview my research group's troll (I asked, he would not firmly committ [she didn't]),
I have talked with someone I know FtF about why he trolled a christian
newsgroup: he said he thought he was doing the group a favor by making them
think.  I think there's quite  a bit more to it than that.

Anybody interested in a troll study?!?!

Anita

Anita Blanchard, Ph.D.
Dept of Psychology
UNC Charlotte
Charlotte, NC 28221
704.687.4847



-----Original Message-----
from: robert m. tynes
to: air-l {AT} aoir.org
sent: 3/20/02 7:49 PM
subject: Re: [Air-l] Lachlan Brown 


I find it a bit troubling. I'm not sure exactly why, but I do have a few
reflections.

Although I conceptually understand why Lachlan was booted, I don't feel
comfortable with the decision. Maybe it appeared to swift, which, I
know,
is probably just my vantage point as a list member. (I've heard tell
that
Lachlan was warned off-list to settle down. And, he was openly
admonished
for making sexist statements and personal attacks, and for posting
off-list e-mails. Nasty deeds, to be sure.)

Maybe I would have felt better if he was warned publicly - on-list - so
that it was obvious what might happen. There was no public debate about
whether he should be yanked or not. The rule was "handed down". Now, I
know this may sound like an attack on the powers above: it is not. All
I'm
saying is that now I know that there is power above.

But that's not really the problematic part for me. Rather, I find it odd
that Lachlan gets removed from the list for inflammatory postings and
personal attacks, and yet there are no apparent repercussions for
trashing him
publicly, i.e. he's a *troll* and a *witch*. Is that fair? As scholars
of
social phenomenon, shouldn't we be a tad more aware of the social
construction of online reality and our contribution to, and
institutionalization of, deviance. Is Lachlan so awful that he deserves
to
becomes AOIR's subaltern Other?

My e-mail is not meant to defend Lachlan (what would be the point of
that,
right?). I'm merely curious about what our meta-discourse is, and how we
are governing it.

-Robert Tynes


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From: "Lachlan Brown" <lachlan {AT} london.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:24:21 -0500
Subject: AIR-L discusses Lachlan and then divides up his work between members.

see http://www.aoir.org archives


Now, having justified the murder to 
themselves they are going to divide up 
my work.

The next step, of course, is the interpretation of Lachlan Brown's texts
'what did he mean?' and the division of
content, insight and methodology in their
own work, and in the general approach
of the AoIR list. 

They do not have permission to do this
from Lachlan Brown. Without Lachlan Brown's
assent the institutions this list and these researchers belong to are potentially open 
to legal action over copyright.

If I protest this discussion a process of defamation will begin. An othering. 


Lachlan


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From: "Lachlan Brown" <lachlan {AT} london.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:05:45 -0500
Subject: Re: St Columba...


I liked this post, and I like copyleft as a political stance. However
what I don't like is dozens of salaried 
people carving up the work (theres a lot more of it, there's always more, my research has been so productive) of someone who has no income to speak of - I mean we are talking
monastic poverty without the monastery -
and who has a right to the fruits of his intellectual labour. I can see how politics
might enter into this, but they are
pretty far right politics in this instance.

Lachlan

status:  U
date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:44:22 -0800
from: Somebody
to: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah {AT} SHIPWRIGHT.COM>
subject: Re: St. Columba: The patron saint of copyleft...
user-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i

You may want to be careful with that word "copyleft." It does not, as your
mail implies, stand as an opposite to "copyright." Quite the opposite, in
fact: copyleft is the exercise of copyright for a political purpose, to
force software freedom (as in liberty) upon consumers as a condition of
use, which of course would be quite impossible without the power of
copyright to wield over them.

The facile opposite of copyright is, I suppose, public domain. But then
copyright was supposedly invented to entice creation into the open that would
otherwise have remained secret (or un-made), so depending on whose
politics you subscribe to, the functional opposite of copyright may well
be "trade secret". Would the monk have lent his manuscript, had he known
of the intent to copy without compensation?

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From: "Lachlan Brown" <lachlan {AT} london.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:17:27 -0500
Subject: AoIR List - Trojan Horse time.


I think what I'll do is attempt to get back 
in - if only to stop this scurry to share 
out my intellectual properties. I will stress
that I was applying a research methodology to the membership and that this was I recognise
a novel and highly productive approach, but
has raised far more questions than I have answers for, hence need their help to 

I'll promise not to Troll or be a Troll.
I will denouce Witchcraft, I will reject
heresy, I will begin to see things their way,
and I will hereafter have no further
delusions. My God American ideology, its
Stalinism with the vote.

I mean plagiarism is one thing, but much 
worse is seeing people take partial insight
 and applying it to the wrong contexts. I 
mean, its terrible to read people incorporating ones work and then arriving 
at totally wrong conclusions. If they
had the source material and the references 
I draw on... but I keep those in memory.

I'll write to the moderators. What I particularly liked was one day before
they set my up with 'Susan' (any guesses
who Susan really is? I know.) I was in email conversation
with Jones who stressed that AIR-L 'had no moderation'.

I'll re-enter the debate, one way or another.

BTW, you should see how Goldsmiths College is reacting to all of this. 

I just don't think in the right way do I? 



Lachlan


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