Paul Hilder on Fri, 2 Nov 2001 23:42:31 +0100 (CET) |
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RE: <nettime> Todd Gitlin: Liberal Activists, Flags, Non-Americans, and Andrew Sullivan |
<For those who don't know, in the 2000 US election Todd Gitlin was the main leftwing voice arguing against Nader, and for the recognition of a difference between Gore and Bush (however small that difference might be, and however sceptical about Gore he might have been...)> Todd has played this painful pro-war tune before, notably over Kosovo. But the attempt to recuperate America and the flag is something newer for him. You might want to browse a much finer article of his replying to Edward Said and Arundhati Roy, called "Dear Non-Americans". Here's the link: http://www.opendemocracy.net/forum/document_details.asp?CatID=98&DocID=723 - and an excerpt: ----------- What links Roy and Said is what demarcates anti-Americanism, that peculiar empire of the one-eyed, from reasoned political opposition to US policies. Real, not gestural politics must worry about the breadth of the brush; but anti-Americanism is one of those prejudices that musters evidence to suit a conclusion already in place. For it, ordinary Americans can never be just that. They can certainly never just be victims, a status already monopolized elsewhere. Americans, or ‘the West’, are blithely dehumanized into the molecules of a structure, what bin Laden calls America’s “vital organs”. As for their government, its policies amount to a condition, an essence. The actions of various mass murderers (the Khmer Rouge, Bin Laden) must, rightly, be “contextualized.” But to the anti-American, American policy never has “context.” It is. The presumptive certainty here, the sneeringly sovereign gaze, the casual contempt for the ordinary humanity of the “other”, are all the more astonishingly unreflective from writers who elsewhere anatomise sensitively the duplicities of imaginative colonisation. ------------- He faces the ethical abyss behind much political commentary on the 11th driven by critique of the US... the strongest of nations can fall victim, individually and in the whole, to violence and tragedy... and that victimhood does not dissolve responsibility, but nor does responsibility dissolve suffering. Without that recognition politics loses its ethical root and falls into essences. And without it, real change (rather than shouting across battle lines) becomes harder to contemplate. "Slavering" US media right-winger Andrew Sullivan picked up on and circulated "Dear Non-Americans" with approval to his own unique - and large - audience (9th item): http://www.andrewsullivan.com/text/archive/2001_10_14_archive_dish.html I'm sure Sullivan read it with some of the nuance still intact. I hope his readers did. As Brian Holmes said in his blizzard of insight, "it's all about productive disagreements". cheers, P ------------- Paul Hilder www.openDemocracy.net -----Original Message----- From: nettime-l-request@bbs.thing.net [mailto:nettime-l-request@bbs.thing.net]On Behalf Of John Armitage Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:11 PM To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Subject: <nettime> Todd Gitlin: Liberal Activists Finding Themselves Caught Between a Flag and a Hard Place [Both enjoyed and bristled with unease while reading this piece on theUSLeft/anti-war movement from an older 1960s and well known media studies theorist, Todd Gitlin. John.] -------------------------------- Liberal Activists Finding Themselves Caught Between a Flag and a Hard Place by Todd Gitlin http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1031-02.htm # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net