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stockhausen correction
"!IC#_I [J}" <hellomynameisphil@hotmail.com>
Re: <nettime> Stockhausen: WTC attack is "biggest artwork of all times"
"kelly davis" <tokyoaudioarts@hotmail.com>
S U P E R T O U C H <supertouch@gmx.de>
Karlheinz Stockhausen's comments on the WTC PT II
"Paul D. Miller" <anansi1@earthlink.net>
Re: <nettime> Stockhausen: WTC attack is "biggest artwork of all times"
"d. daniell" <m@tinynumbers.com>
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From: "!IC#_I [J}" <hellomynameisphil@hotmail.com>
Subject: stockhausen correction
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 05:22:11 +0000
oops. i replied directly to the guy who posted the thing about stockhausen
quoted as describing the world trade center attacks as a great work of art.
pls check out stockhausen's version of the words at www.stockhausen.org
thanks!
phil
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From: "kelly davis" <tokyoaudioarts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Stockhausen: WTC attack is "biggest artwork of all times"
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:40:40 +0900
it is sad to think that some people would believe the media, before
stockhausen.
a man that is caring and would never hurt a fly.
his words have been twisted, as the media often does.
don't spread fuel to the fire that the media wants to forever keep aflame.
haven't we learned to care for each other, as well as,
to investigate what we believe, just a little bit more since the WTC
incident and many others?
love kelly
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cantsin@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
>According to the German news agency dpa, Karlheinz Stockhausen said in
>an interview he gave on account of a concert in Hamburg:
<...>
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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:58:13 +0200
From: S U P E R T O U C H <supertouch@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Stockhausen: WTC attack is "biggest artwork of all times"
As Stockhausen himself states on his official website
[http://www.stockhausen.org/message_from_karlheinz.html] his
statements held on a press conference for the Hamburg Festival of New
Music have obviously been misquoted, as he called the terrorist
attack on New York City "greatest work of art of LUCIFER".
Witnessing the conference Kathinka Pasweer of Stockhausen's
publishing house states that the composer's words have completely
been twisted by a journalist for Bild, Germany's leading yellow press
newspaper:
"I was at the press conference in Hamburg.
Being asked by journalist, if MICHAEL, EVE and LUCIFER were
historical figures of the past, he answered that they were existing
now.
For example, LUCIFER in the attack of New York.
After more questions about this he said "that for a musician it seems
like rehearsing ten years for one concert and then killing oneself
and 5000 people. The whole planning looked like the greatest piece of
art of LUCIFER."
Naturally Stockhausen is shocked - like everybody else - by the
horror of this terrible event and cannot understand it.
The journalist (for BILD) has completely twisted Stockhausen's words
out of context and used it against the Hamburg Festival of New Music."
[http://www.stockhausen.org/reply_to_ndr.html]
In this context, there is also a quite interesting article in German
by Goedart Palm published for Telepolis:
http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/special/auf/9595/1.html
as well as an english commentary by David Hudson "A Willful Misunderstanding?":
http://www.heise.de/tp/english/inhalt/te/9594/1.html
>According to the German news agency dpa, Karlheinz Stockhausen said in
>an interview he gave on account of a concert in Hamburg:
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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 07:10:52 -0400
From: "Paul D. Miller" <anansi1@earthlink.net>
Subject: Karlheinz Stockhausen's comments on the WTC PT II
and where in the media you read one report, there is always another more
direct opinion...don't believe the hype!
GERMANY
Message from Professor Karlheinz Stockhausen
<...for stockhausen's statement, see d. daniell's message, next...--mod>
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From: "d. daniell" <m@tinynumbers.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Stockhausen: WTC attack is "biggest artwork of all times"
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:12:05 -0400
while i certainly have questioned stockhausen's politics over the
years, i think for completeness the following should be shared -
from stockhausen's website -
http://stockhausen.org/message_from_karlheinz.html
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Professor Karlheinz Stockhausen 51515 Krten GERMANY Message from
Professor Karlheinz Stockhausen
After returning from Hamburg I find false, defamatory reports in
the press.
I am as dismayed as everyone else about the attacks in America.
At the press conference in Hamburg, I was asked if MICHAEL, EVE
and LUCIFER were historical figures of the past and I answered
that they exist now, for example Lucifer in New York.
In my work, I have defined Lucifer as the cosmic spirit of
rebellion, of anarchy. He uses his high degree of intelligence
to destroy creation. He does not know love.
After further questions about the events in America, I said that
such a plan appeared to be Lucifer's greatest work of art. Of
course I used the designation "work of art" to mean the work
of destruction personified in Lucifer. In the context of my
other comments this was unequivocal.
I cannot find a fitting name for such a "satanic composition".
In my case, it was not and is not my intention to hurt anyone.
Since the beginning of the attack on I have felt solidarity
with all of the human beings mourning this atrocity.
Not for were one moment have I thought or felt the way my
words are now being interpreted in the press.
The journalist in Hamburg completely ripped my statements
out of a context, which he had not recorded in its entirety,
to use it as a vile attack against my person and the Hamburg
Music Festival.
This whole situation is regrettable and I am deeply sorry if
my remarks were misconstrued to offend the grieving families
of the brutal terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington
D.C.". I will continue to keep the victims of this outrage in
my prayers
Karlheinz Stockhausen September 19, 2001
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Statement by Webmaster Stockhausen's comments during the Hamburg
interview were delivered in the context of a metaphoric line of
questioning. He provided an allegorical answer to an allegorical
question. Anyone who knows Stockhausen can tell you that he is
a compassionate and thoughtful person. The journalist who spewed
forth this unconscionable poison should immediately retract his
untruthful reporting and publish an apology to Stockhausen. I live
in the USA and we are doing our best with God's help to get through
this cowardly and hateful attack on our nation by terrorists.
I also serve as Chairman of the Board of Directors of a Fire
Protection District. I personally am acquainted with heroic fire
fighters from our area who are tirelessly laboring at Ground Zero
in NYC. As a loyal and patriotic American, I can tell you that
Karlheinz Stockhausen is not the kind of man to condone terrorism
in ANY form. On September 13 Kathinka Pasveer sent me a thoughtful
fax from Karlheinz, Suzee Stephens (who is American) and herself
that said "We all follow the tragedy in the USA and pray for you
all. So terrible." The reporter who wrote this rubbish for the sake
of his own financial and professional gain should be condemned by
the public for his sensational lies and promptly fired by his
employer.
James Stonebraker, Webmaster St. Louis, Missouri USA
September 19, 2001
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