Norm Friesen on 20 Sep 2000 18:34:39 -0000 |
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RE: <nettime> The Age of Spiritual Machines (Review) |
Algorithmic, heuristic "activity", the Age fo Spiritual Machines I think that its important to remember in this discussion that the algorithmic and heuristic activity that computers may be capable of in limited subject domains says nothing about their ability to "think" --and much less about their ability to provide "neural nets that operate similarly to the human brain" (Stalder's review 9/19) or accommodate wholesale downloads of someone's brain. It seems to me that a significant flaw in Kurzweil's book (judging just by Stalder's review) is that he engages in a sort of "morphological fallacy": Just because the computer can mimic the end results of human thought (mathematical discoveries, victories in chess, etc.) does not mean that they are structurally or functionally similar to the thing that produces these results. As a result, computers may be much less ready to accommodate the contents of our brains via a bulk "download". Such thinking also perpetuates a naive Cartesian dualism that recent research has done much to undermine. In addition, the last 4 decades of spectacular failures in the realm of symbolic AI have should teach us that simple homologies between human thought and computer processing should be treated with the greatest skepticism. Norm Friesen Information Architect CAREO Project Academic Technologies for Learning 2-111 Education North University of Alberta T6G 2G5 norm.friesen@ualberta.ca (780) 492 7500 x223 http://www.careo.org -----Original Message----- From: nettime-l-request@bbs.thing.net [mailto:nettime-l-request@bbs.thing.net]On Behalf Of Roberto Verzola Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 11:21 AM To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Subject: Re: <nettime> The Age of Spiritual Machines (Review) >This [heuristics] is not the kind of thinking that a computer can do, >and yet this is essential type of thinking to solve social problems of >all kinds, especially scientific problems. Have you read about the program called Eurisko and its descendants? They are supposed to be good at heuristics and have even made some mathematical discoveries... Roberto Verzola # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net