Robbins, Mark on 19 Sep 2000 22:07:08 -0000 |
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RE: <nettime> We knew how to kill mammoths; how about corporations? |
Thank you for the perspective, however, there is a hole in your analogy and your argument itself. The fruits of a mammoth were in its death (food, clothing, etc..) whereas a corporation only bears fruit through its continued existence. So there really is no motivating factor for humans to kill corporations; especially when most humans have never really cherished being a human being for a day in their lives (nor the human will which coropations subdue), seeing themselves only as pleased and passified animals, which corporations are quick to take advantage of. If will and the ability to manifest that will were as important to most citizens of the United States as it is to (I think) people on this list, then democracy would never have decayed in this country to the state that it is in today. The death of corporations serves no one; corporations are a powerful and potentially beneficial force, since we have the (now latent) power as human beings to control the abstractions which we create. I am not saying that this is an easy task, or perhaps even an achiveable one at this point, but the task remains necessary. Humanity is at the whim of an abstraction it created, and as abstractions go, corporations are rivaled (if at all) only by the State, and by God. I'm not a religous man, so my options are limited to two; attempt to use the State, and the power of law which it commands, to reign in corporate power, or create a new abstraction. Being that the State is already believed to exist, and has a complex system established for its manipulation, this seems the easier (read: most likely to be possible) route. Furthermore, corporations are treated as human beings not only because people believe in them as such, but because they believe the acts of corporations (namely buying, selling, growing and interacting) are also what makes most human beings human. A discussion of the Turing test and the like could easily ensue, but that is extratopical; the fact remains that whatever corporations are, they are because we allow them to be so, and because we continue to believe that they are so. Whatever form the abstraction of the corporation takes in its interaction with us, it is still an abstraction, and therefore, wholly dependant on us for its continued existence. A dependancy is always a potential source of power, and this source should be exploited for all that it is worth. M. Robbins -----Original Message----- From: nettime-l-request@bbs.thing.net [mailto:nettime-l-request@bbs.thing.net]On Behalf Of Roberto Verzola Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 7:57 AM To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Subject: <nettime> We knew how to kill mammoths; how about corporations? On the discussion whether corporations are humans: Most legal systems today recognize the registered business firm as a distinct legal person, separate from its stockholders, board of directors or employees. In fact, laws would often refer to "natural or legal persons". It should therefore be safe to conclude that such registered business firms or corporations are persons (ie, organisms), but NOT "natural persons", and therefore not humans. <...> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net