scotartt on 15 Sep 2000 05:29:35 -0000 |
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----- Original Message ----- From: Ronda Hauben <ronda@ais.org> > "scotartt" <scot@systemx.autonomous.org> wrote: > > >Just a point of order here David. Corporations are created with the > >specific goal of "profit" -- its illegal to run a public company for any > >other (primary) motive. Human values don't enter into the equation. They > >are just a set of factors that affect profitability. So if defying these > >values (I have to point out, legally defying, because corps must obey the > >relevant laws as much as we as indivisuals do) produces better profit .. so > >be it, the corporations act that way. > > In the US, there was until 1984 a different kind of corporation, > AT&T was a corporation but one subject to very signficiant regulation. > > It had to provide universal access to telephone service, it had to > show that it was doing research to provide the most advanced technology. > It had the rates it charged telephone users strictly regulated. > It was one of the largest corporations in the world at the time > (or so a book about its breakup claims). > > So this was a different type of corporation. Still its primary goal is the distribution of dividend to shareholders. ie profit. The government may make many rules about any one corporation's, or a sector, or all corp's methods in making that profit, shareholder dividend and capital increases remain its primary reason for existance. look at airlines and the things regulatory agencies make them do, which all impact on the "bottom line". But they are still dividend driven entitities. Most sectors of the economy are in fact like this, from mining to transport to communications to finance to manufacturing, myriad Government regulatory bodies and laws control the way that corporations are allowed to go about their business of maximising shareholder return. More salient perhaps would be psuedo-corporations like Telstra (ex Telecom Australia, at one time an out and out government department -- part of the post office, incidentially also now 'corporatised') and other government-owned corporations. Still, they are somewhat normalised; the major or only shareholder being the government (ie the people). shareholders, in the this case the government, may like to tell the Corporation just how it is to go about making a profit, but a profit it is still designed to make. Many people generally oppose the privitisation of Telstra because they feel the Government should reap 100% of the dividend, and continue to excercise some shareholder control over its actions, as well as Governmental regulation. The issue I was trying to highlight is that it is up to the people to enforce 'human values', corporations are neither with them or against them as of course I felt David Teh was trying to say. Although he did say that corporation 'oppose' such values I think they do no such thing, which is why I wrote that email. They are just focused on "maximising shareholder value" to use the jargon. Specific human values may or may not impact on this aim, they will only be opposed if they are seen by the directors to affect the bottom line adversely. If they *help* the bottom line, the corporation's directors and officers are breaching the law if they oppose them. The chief way I feel we have of creating an environment of 'human values' that corporations have to follow is by way of a regulatory environment set up by our alleged representatives in Government. This may be either punitive or encouraging, (the stick or the carrot) or more usually a combination of both. I feel its time to reclaim Government as the rightful enforcer of our societies' shared values. Too much nowadays is regulation seen as only an aid to smooth operations of corporations, whereas the primary motive force in Government should be to help create the general environment of 'values' that corporations operate within. Of course consumer behaviour (eg boycotts etc) is important but the vast majority of corporations don't sell anything to consumers, particularly the worst offenders e.g. mining companies operating in the third world. Plus I'm sceptical about the level of sustainable mass consciousness required about the innumerable micro-issues that must be brought to bear in this sphere. I don't believe there should be other types of corporations (strictly speaking in the business sense of corporation), that if the goal is not profit then there are alternative structures available for an incorporated organisation, not least of which is the Government agency or department. But corporations are NOT "evil" (as so many anti-WEF protestors appear to believe), or "bad" or "good", they do what they do to make money for their owners. The point, which hopefully we all agree on, is to influence what they can do and how they might go about doing it. I would make the case that in the national environment it is up to the people to force the Government to be the primary influence there, and in the international 'globalised' environment, supra-Governmental bodies. I was always brought up to believe that socialism's goal is a globalised world system of international relations that not only define intra-national foreign policy (eg the UN) but also supra-national social and economic conditions. I am not anti-development -- that was supposed to be the POINT of the exercise. Hence, I am more for reform of the WTO and the World Bank than for its abolition (the IMF can just fuck off though -- its just social welfare for money market speculators). If international bodies where abolished it would leave a completely laissez-faire international environment where the weak nations are preyed on by the strong (nations and corporations), and development is hodge-podge at best leaving pockets of enormous poverty offset by others of enormous wealth (like we have now). Therefore I am not supportive of any protest that seeks to 'shut down' such international bodies. That is precisely what capitalists want. The point is to produce a egalitarian outcome in those bodies, not to destroy any hope of regulating this enviroment. Of course many here will virulently disagree with my reasoning, my objectives and my proposed methods (reform not revolution). That I can live with. If you think of society as a biological organism, I find it is like the anti-globalisation forces are the immune response anti-bodies seeking to preserve the Industrialised world's standards of living (its 'health') by denying capital flows to the poor (redistribution of development). I know that exactly that is the stated objective of many protesters, but I don't think that will be the outcome they achieve if they are successful. I am suspicious of all utopias. It doesn't matter what the T-cell thinks it motives are, what its outcome is the important factor. regs scot +------------------------------------------------------+ | F | | [[ From: scot@autonomous.org ]] | | +--[[ NERVE AGENT AUDIO SYSTEMS ]]--+--(CH3)2CH-O-P=O--+ | [[ http://mp3.com/nerveagent ]] | | | CH3 | +------------------------------------------------------+ # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net