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'RTMark Bag Authority' on 7 Aug 2000 17:43:19 -0000


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<nettime> Re: AW: AW: Urgent inquiry for Paper bags!


Dear Stefan Debler,

I'm afraid you completely misunderstand! We are very eager to work with
Bitways Global Sourcing GmbH. Very eager indeed! And we assure you, we
can give you pennies on the dollar, or rather Pfennige on the Mark. We
are so cheap!

You wrote to us asking for bag prices. Our bags and bag prices were of
interest to you. So we wrote to you asking for details about the 
companies you do business with, and about your business itself, in 
order to assure ourselves 100% there was no criminality involved in
any of your undertakings.

If you had known of the legal situation I spoke of, in which shareholders
are put in jail for the corporation's offenses, you would be well
prepared for our inquiries. You would be accredited with some company
specializing in criminality-freedom-assurance, you would have expended 
a few Mensch-hours in making sure of these things, you would have added
a bit to the general carefulness of corporations, regarding their
behavior.

Let us begin from the start once again. You ask us for bag prices. We
ask you what sort of business you and your partners engage in, precisely,
so that we can protect ourselves and our shareholders from terrible
fates. Yes?

Your honest slave,
Alice Foley

http://rtmark.com/
Bags for the pursuit of happiness

You wrote:
>Dear Alice Foley.
>
>I do not really know what the problem is but it seems that you are not
>willing to do any business with the Bitways Global Sourcing GmbH.
>
>The other abashedly thing is that you blaim our partners (UPS, SGS,
>GeoLogistics) and referrences (Onara, Susane...).
>
>Nevertheless please delete all documents from us. We will lock your e-mail
>address in our databases so we will not contact you again in the future.
>
>RGDS,
>--  
>Stefan Debler
>Global Sourcing Operator
>Team Red
>
>BITWAYS GLOBAL SOURCING GMBH
>Berliner Brücke, BZO, House 20,
>InnovationsCampus,
>D-38448 Wolfsburg, Germany
>Fon: +49 (0) 5361 275789
>Fax: +49 (0) 5361 275799
>Email: Stefan.Debler {AT} bitways.de
>www.bitways.de
>
>
>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: 'RTMark Bag Authority' [mailto:bagday {AT} rtmark.com]
>Gesendet: Samstag, 5. August 2000 04:00
>An: Stefan Debler
>Betreff: Re: AW: Urgent inquiry for Paper bags!
>
>
>Dear Stefan Debler,
>
>I'm afraid you misunderstood our concerns. We are not concerned with what 
>goes into the bags. You may put food or whatever you like in them--even
>human
>heads, for all we care.
>
>But as for "criminal cooperations," yes, that is what we are concerned with,
>but you do not understand what we mean. As I said, in the U.S.A., 
>shareholders are now liable for crimes committed by the companies they 
>invest in. They can go to jail! Our shareholders are, therefore, very edgy 
>about us, and have us under all kinds of surveillance. A whole corporate-
>surveillance industry has sprung up. It is terrible!
>
>In short, we must be very careful we do not expose ourselves to criminal
>suits, either through our own work or through our business ties, or we will 
>lose all our funding and, since we are all major shareholders, our freedom
>as
>well. Again, it is terrible.
>
>So. To judge by your website, you are in collaboration with quite a few 
>companies! Now, to take one example from
>http://www.bitways.net/de/bb_ref.html,
>there is 
>
>  Susane Feminine Concept
>
>We have striven to discover something about this company, but have found
>only 
>http://www.duced-iua.dk/network/susane/Susane.htm :
>
>  Susane DEA 
>  Sustainable Sanitation Network in DEA Countries
>
>This is alarming. Is sanitation a feminine concept? Why? There is no
>indication
>on the Susane DEA website of what they actually do. What do they do?
>
>Now, with Onara, also at http://www.bitways.net/de/bb_ref.html, we have more
>luck. There is a Portuguese company called Onara, at http://www.onara.com/,
>but
>their website is broken. With communication like that, what do we know about
>them?
>
>Are ANY of these companies certified with SafeCompanies
>(http://www.safecompanies.com)?
>What about Dresdner Bank, from your front page? UPS? SGS? Geologistics? How
>do you
>KNOW for certain they are not engaged in criminal behavior that could put
>their, your, 
>and our, shareholders at risk of jail and fines?
>
>Please inform! Please let us know what you are doing to assure
>non-criminality. Then
>we will give you the lowest prices on the entire market, by far!
>
>Sincerely,
>Alice Foley
>
>http://rtmark.com/
>Bags for the Pursuit of Happiness
>
>You wrote:
>>Dear Alice Foley,
>>
>>Thanks for your reply.
>>
>>To answer most of your questions I would like to invite you on our website:
>>www.bitways.net !
>>
>>There you can have a closer look about our ways of business. You will see
>>that we are not in any criminal coorperations.
>>
>>We would like to trade with the products we are looking for in our inquiry.
>>The paper bags are used to carry
>>
>>foodstuff and not illegal products.
>>
>>Hope to hear from you soon and perhaps the next time you contact me you are
>>able to make a quote.
>>
>>With best regards,
>>--  
>>Stefan Debler
>>Global Sourcing Operator
>>Team Red
>>
>>BITWAYS GLOBAL SOURCING GMBH
>>Berliner Brücke, BZO, House 20,
>>InnovationsCampus,
>>D-38448 Wolfsburg, Germanyw
>>Fon: +49 (0) 5361 275789
>>Fax: +49 (0) 5361 275799
>>Email: Stefan.Debler {AT} bitways.de
>>www.bitways.de
>>  
>>
>>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>Von: RTMark Bag Authority [mailto:bagday {AT} rtmark.com]
>>Gesendet: Montag, 31. Juli 2000 17:25
>>An: S.Debler (Bitways)
>>Betreff: Re: Urgent inquiry for Paper bags!
>>
>>
>>Dear Stefan,
>>
>>We must know what the bags will be used for. We can offer you shockingly
>low
>>prices on bags of all sorts, but because of the recent overhaul
>>of judiciary handling of corporate misbehavior--U.S. shareholders of
>>crime-committing corporations (or of those corporations that do direct
>>business with same) can now be put in jail or fined, depending on the
>>severity of the crime--we must know more about you. If we do not, we,
>>or our shareholders, could end up in jail!
>>
>>You say you are an international trading company: what does this mean? Do
>>you trade yourselves, or do you only lubricate transactions? What
>>European industries do you work with? Do you fully research the companies
>>you work with, to assure yourselves that they have neither
>>committed gross punishable crimes in the past, nor are likely to do so in
>>the future? We must know all this about the companies we work
>>with, and, indeed, about the companies they work with in turn.
>>
>>This can quickly get quite complicated, as you can imagine. An easy
>shortcut
>>to total market assurance lies in the SafeCompanies
>>Accreditation plan, at www.safecompanies.com. Once you are accredited with
>>this institution, we (and other similarly restricted companies,
>>as well as U.S. shareholder-distribution entities like mutual fund
>>institutions) can work with you without lengthy background checks, etc.
>>Of course, accreditation, while free, is not guaranteed, and is sometimes a
>>little bit difficult, but here in the U.S., corporate crime has
>>been significantly reduced as a result of these laws and the resulting
>>corporate-safety market--so isn't it worth it? As you can tell, we
>>support it.
>>
>>Eager to hear from you soon,
>>
>>Alice Foley
>>Vice President for Marketing and Sales
>>RTMark Bags
>>
>>http://rtmark.com/
>>Bags for the Pursuit of Happiness
>>
>>You wrote:
>>>
>>>Urgent inquiry for Paper bags,
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Sirs,
>>>
>>>We are an international trading company, mainly serving the European
>>industry.
>>>
>>>The Bitways Group purchases globally on own account and then resells the
>>products to various clients. Our aim is to source globally and to offer our
>>clients the best prices worldwide.
>>>
>>>>From one of our own or rented databases we have retrieved your address as
>>potential supplier of the product(s) we would like to purchase this time.
>If
>>you can promptly give us your very best quote you might be chosen as the
>>supplier we have been looking for as early as next week.
>>>
>>>In conclusion I would like to ask you to make us your best quote as this
>>will enable us to work more efficiently.
>>>
>>>This email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you
>must
>>>not copy, disclose or use its contents. If you have received it in error,
>>>please inform us immediately by return email and delete the document.
>>>
>>>Please check the Specifications:
>>>
>>>Inquiry for paper bags!
>>>
>>>
>>>Position                  Product
>>>
>>>1	paper bag
>>>
>>>
>>>Quantity: 150 000 pcs.
>>>
>>>Productpecification: 
>>>
>>>Paper bag with carrying bail.
>>>
>>>Dimensions: 320mm x 320mm + 220mm
>>>
>>>Weight : 80g/qm
>>>
>>>Material : Natronbleached
>>>
>>>Imprint : 2 colours (Manuscript is on compact or floppy disk)
>>>
>>>Packaging: In cartons. Item number has to be printed on the carton.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Position                       Product
>>>
>>>2	paper bag
>>>
>>>
>>>Quantity: 150 000 pcs.
>>>
>>>Productspecification:
>>> 
>>>Paper bag without a carrying bail.
>>>
>>>Dimensions: 220mm x 380mm + 100mm
>>>
>>>Weight : 50g/qm
>>>
>>>Material : Natronbleached
>>>
>>>Imprint : 2 colours (Manuscript is on compact or floppy disk)
>>>
>>>Packaging: In cartons. Item number has to be printed on the carton.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Position                     Product
>>>
>>>3	paper bag (biscuit bag)
>>>
>>>Quantity: 19 000 000 pcs.
>>>
>>>Productspecifications:
>>>
>>>Dimensions: 140mm x 70mm x 280mm
>>>
>>>Weight : 40g/qm
>>>
>>>Material : parchment  substitute 
>>>                 Oxygen bleached
>>>
>>>Imprint : 2 colours (Manuscript is on compact or floppy disk)
>>>
>>>Packaging: In cartons. Item number has to be printed on the carton.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yours Sincerely,
>>>
>>>Stefan Debler
>>>Global Sourcing Operator
>>>Global Sourcing Team
>>>
>>>BITWAYS GLOBAL SOURCING GMBH
>>>Berliner Brücke, BZO, House 20,
>>>InnovationsCampus,
>>>D-38448 Wolfsburg, Germany
>>>Fon: +49 (0) 5361 275789
>>>Fax: +49 (0) 5361 275799
>>>Email: Stefan.Debler {AT} bitways.de
>>>www.bitways.de

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