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Jonathan Prince <>
     Re: Krugman, Cameron, Jonathan, etc
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Declan McCullagh <>
     FC: Making money from both sides: DC protests and connectivity
Terrence J Kosick <>
     Re: <nettime> Thousands of Protesters Marching on World Bank (fwd)

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From: Jonathan Prince <>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Krugman, Cameron, Jonathan, etc

> I found an old tape player in the closet! so if you want hear some
> very unedited recordings from the streets of DC - including a back
> and forth scuffle of dozens of kids and cops over a small fence, mace
> and pepper spray and so on...
> make sure you have something that plays streaming MP3.
> all explained at
> The media has done its best in accusing the protestors of not knowing
> much - but even the 16 yr olds I chatted with (after my tape recorder
> got destroyed) knew more about Structural Adjustment Programs and
> effects of the Asian Economic Crisis than probably most reporters.
> If these kids are the next wave of activism, watch out!  They are
> smart, fierce and creative with their non-violence tactics.
> [at 32, I find myself saying 'kids' ugh! but I was definitely in the
> older side of the age spectrum]
> On monday about 5,000 took to the streets (without a permit) grabbed
> an intersection 2 blocks away from the World Bank and in the worst
> cold windy rain tried their best to get through hundreds of cops,
> secret service and national guard troops.
> Next time, I'm bringing a gas mask.  Everyone was so prepared with
> masks, vinegar, water bottles, ski mask goggles and full body
> clothing that I was unprepared for the pepper spray and other
> nastyness.
> total arrests about 1300 and we shut down the federal government for a day.
> crazy times ahead!
> jonathan


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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 03:44:09 EDT
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dpi (down under)
dispatch 1
April 19th, 2000

<Events in Washington well-taken by uni students here in Oz>

Uni students declare disgust at the corporatization of their educations as
they find themselves more and more bound to learning job-type technical
skills than anything in the humanities and as 'career day' type specialists
maraude their campuses. Just a few short years ago when the dictator, "Joh"
was head of Queensland it was a law here that assemblies of more than 3
persons on the street were possibility for dissent...
Protesters went ahead anyway and got their heads bashed in under his rule.
Now under the Labor party, things have eased up, although, there are police
everywhere, and curiously, a lot of police helicopters.

The Seattle WTO protests of December 1999 inspire leftist young people here
who see themselves as allied with students all over the world and who feel
the effects of globalization more here probably than anyone in the UStates
as Australia is a client-state of the US economy. When Wall Street falls so
does the Aussie dollar.  Environmental issues are particularly killing in
Oz where US interests are considerable esp. for rich uranium deposits often
found on aboriginal sites in the desert and in the Northern Territory and
where the environment is exploited for tourism.

Aboriginals and police are in the news because of the racist Liberal
government which continues to place 'mandatory sentencing' of young people,
many of whom are aboriginal youths receiving the harshest punishment,
above offering solutions to poverty or racial equity. In a few recent
cases, aboriginal youths committed suicide while in jail for things like
stealing a piece of pizza and this of course, raised the ire of their
communities as well as non-racist citizens. Courts seem to see only the
color of their skin while a public lawyers
deal with obstacles towards justice.Issues here for young people are simple
to see:  racist national and regional governments, abuse of land rites,
colonization by the USA of Australia's economy, extreme white nationalism
and consumerism symbolized by the Olympics, cutbacks and corporate control
of education.

<the future>
On MayDay, protest celebrations here in Brisbane will take the form of a
banner-carrying carnival called 'Carnival Against Capitalism' an event in
open solidarity with the WTO protests in Seattle. Posters are everywhere.

<in the news>
DC protests made primetime television on the Australian Broadcasting
Commission channel at 7pm and 9:30 pm, though only briefly. We do get the
MacNeil-Lehrer Newshour as well and they did a whole story on the events.

Protests for the 2000 Olympics with many many people in attendance
including aboriginal leaders are planned for September.
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:09:05 -0700
From: Declan McCullagh <>
Subject: FC: Making money from both sides: DC protests and connectivity

>Date: 17 Apr 2000 00:59:09 -0700
>From: Sean Donelan <>
>Subject: Making money from both sides
>It really is a net.  Both the International Monetary Fund (IMF.INT)
>and Mobilization for Global Justice (A16.ORG) go through the backbone
>Internet via Cable&Wireless.

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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:59:39 +0000
From: Terrence J Kosick <>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Thousands of Protesters Marching on World Bank (fwd)

Terrence writes;

 You have to be really brave to take a nasty bashing, it is the price of

I think that aside from the usual controversy and physical emotionalism of a
protest the protesters succeeded in communicating their points.  I think it
is a tradition so i would not take it as a daily thing. Also its just the way
the protesters and cops work together over here. It's like Gea's blowing off

Perhaps the creation of an organized citizen forum would take away the
bruises and mayhem but then order is no fun and the press might not show to
cover such an event. They could stage a mock confrontation with dancers.
Everyone would be satisfied for the moment and the 3rd world workers could
just keep making the nike gear and people will still keep buying it.  No
matter what it will still be a piss off.

terrence kosick

Phil Graham wrote:

> We are getting all the pictures here in Australia of
> jackbooted, helmeted people *gassing* and *bashing* protesters.


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