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I'll work this into some kind of order eventually, once I have drafted the story, but I thought I would share the AIR email with nettime for archival. Best Lachlan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lachlan Brown" <lachlan@london.com> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:38:39 -0500 To: lachlan@london.com Subject: air intervention 1 > [Air-l] Oh Dear, there goes scholarship. > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:45:34 -0500 > > > was Re: my email archives > > > I'm not quite sure what you mean by "archiving." <warschauer> > > >anyone else archived all their incoming and outgoing emails, <hunsinger> > > >How do we keep it secure (both in the > sense of "private" and in the sense of "safe")? How do we think about it, if at all, right now? > That is, I suspect we all have this sense of the "stuff" that we have > on our disks and hard drives, but how does that intersect and > interplay with how we feel about the box of letters we keep in the > closet? Will we encrypt stuff, or keep it open? Will we erase some? <jones> > > >One day no doubt the world will mourn the loss of my juvenilia. <cubitt> > > I doubt the world will mourn, Sean, the loss of your ‘juvenilia’, as long as it did not > and does not impact the rights of others. > > Forgive me for crashing in, but a little > bird told me I should take time out of my > intervention in Nettime (I think I have pitched things about right over there), to > check to see what AoIR was doing under the > duress of contemporary cultural ‘events’ and > the impact of ‘emergency’ legislation. > > I sense unease. > > This ‘e-mail archive’ thread reads a little > like an annual general meeting of the ‘Intellect and Imagination Temperance Society’ and I would remind > you four of your duties and responsibilities not merely as scholars, but > as members of an international intellectual community. > > After seven or eight years in which questions of archival, catalogue, > identity, access and availability of information and knowledge, > gender, ethnicity, uneven distributions of information, uneven > accumulations of knowledge, new relations of distribution of > media and communications and new relations of > mediation in a tremendous cultural contest that > cast new perspectives on the nature of governance, > institution, scholarship, democracy, not to mention an economy > led like a pig with a ring in its nose by the mere ‘idea of Internet’, > you’d think we’d have got a little further along > in an understanding of technology in contemporary > culture. > > What, one wonders, have you all been doing? > > Yes, I kept all of my files and email communications > 1993-present. Saved, time-locked, stored, periodically. > I thought this was a simple matter of research scholarship, > quite in line with the Social Sciences Methods and > Approaches course I took at Goldsmiths College as > a requirement in undertaking PhD work. Given the > intense contests already apparent in 1993-94 – > perhaps rather more apparent then than they are now > -- around the meanings and governance of the technology, > I would have been remiss in my scholarship to not do so. > > > >>>It was easy to imagine a scenario in which, say, The National Security > State employed archives to influence government, > commerce and public opinion to help render compliance to the agenda > of the National Security State, alternatively imagine a situation in which > commercial or alternative interests employed these archives to the same > end. Or rather, easy to anticipate the nature of a contest between these > interests (it’s called “the pretzel debate” apparently’) and you, pretty much, > have something closely resembling contemporary culture…>>> > > > Lachlan > > > Lachlan Brown > Thirdnet Ltd > > > Cultural Studies > Goldsmiths College > University of London > Toronto: M.(416) 826 6937 > VM: (416) 822 1123 > lachlan@london.com > > http://third.net > > > > [Air-l] Oh Dear, there goes scholarship. > Sean Cubitt air-l@aoir.org > Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:28:01 +1300 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Oh Dear, there goes scholarship. > Next message: [Air-l] Re: New Theoretical Approaches to the Self in > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hey Lachlan > > Yes but > > 1. there are engines for the storage of our missives that we wot but > little of (I'm constantly ego-surfed by students checking my credentials > who then ingratiate themselves by quoting 'publ,ications' I never knew I > had, a common enough thing, and) as Cap'n Beefheart once said I'd like to > give my music away for free, it didn't cost anything where I got it from. > The internet is a self-archiving entity by nature, so why privatise memory > when it can be socialised? > > 2. the privilege of the personal archive reduces to one thing only: the > right to erase. Exercise of this right reveals only a hankering for a > pre-modern Enlightenment privacy. Unless of coursxe you are an Enron > executive, member of the unelected government of the USA, recovering > alcoholic in charge of genocide against the Palestinians or otherwise > disgraced person, in which case you have forfeited the right to be treated > with the usual ethical obligations reserved for mammals > > 3. The contemporary culture is intensely ephemeral. Those dull Derrideans > who wrte endless preambles to the foreward before the preface believe they > are writing in the sprit and style of the events they understand to be > a-foundational. Perhaps we shd on principle delete everything in the intray > on the principle that because it is in the intray it is obviously > out-of-date (incidentally a phrase which first appeared in popular > journalism circa 1896 . . . ) > > Now keep out of trouble, and delete this message > > s > > > > Sean Cubitt > Screen and Media Studies > Akoranga Whakaata P=FCrongo > The University of Waikato > Private Bag 3105 > Hamilton > New Zealand > T (direct) +64 (0)7 856 2889 extension 8604 > T/F (department) +64 (0)7 838 4543 > seanc@waikato.ac.nz > http://www.waikato.ac.nz/film/ > > Digital Aesthetics > http://www.ucl.ac.uk/slade/digita > The Dundee Seminars > http://www.imaging.dundee.ac.uk/people/sean/index.html > > > > > Air-l] Bring me my Bow. > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:24:19 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] M-viruses? > Next message: [Air-l] Re: welcoming thoughts about activists and 'new media' > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >was Re: my email archives > > >>One day no doubt the world will mourn the >loss of my juvenilia. <cubitt> > > >I doubt the world will mourn, Sean, the loss >of your ‘juvenilia’, as long as it did not > >and does not impact the rights of others. > > > Turn yourself in Cubitt and stop babbling. > You are distracting, but then this is your > ideological function in the field of new > media and digital culture, the purpose of > my intervention in AoIR. > > 1. The Primary producer has a right to the fruits of his or her labour. We cite sources in scholarship for a range of reasons that I am sure scholars of AoIR would like to list. > > 2 Yes, erasure is an art of power. However the > trace of erasure leaves an impression that has permanance. My research has teased out instances far more remarkable than any you > may presently have in mind. So, shut up > and let things unfold. > > 3. Contemporary Culture is a wee bit less > ephemeral than you might like it to be, matey. There are memories, there are histories and as I am sure you will dimly recall, there is foresight. > > I shall introduce myself to the scholars of > AoIR. Shut up and sit at the back. > > Lachlan Brown > > > [Air-l] Re: welcoming thoughts about activists and 'new media' > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:44:49 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Bring me my Bow. > Next message: [Air-l] Re: welcoming thoughts about activists and 'new media' > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Yes, I can help you there. Also Tiziana Terranova who is at the University of Essex. > You might also post to Nettime bbs. > > By the way, what's your institutional affiliation? > > Lachlan Brown > (416) 826 6937 > VM (416) 822 1123 > > > Hello, > I'm doing some research with people involved in non-profit organizations an= > d > their use of 'new media'. I am trying to find out how exactly they use > technology to organize and navigate through information, what types of > information is transferred between groups and why users essentially engage > the technology =8B in this case, for social change. > > I'm interested in gaining a deeper understanding about horizontal and > vertical flows of communication, physical connectivity, data communality, > interactivity and ease of use in organizing social-change networks within a > technological framework for democratic advancement. > > I'm preparing a focus group session, and with such a wealth of different > ideas/individuals/thoughts on this listserve, I was wondering if any of you > had some ideas as to what types of questions you would ask...what > explorations do you think are worthy in this area? What specific questions > would you ask if you were in this focus group with non-profits? > > Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide...I will be sure to share > any information I gain from the meeting. > > > Linda Jean Kensicki > > -- > > [Air-l] A general query re 'archives'. > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:45:38 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Re: welcoming thoughts about activists and 'new media' > Next message: [Air-l] Re: Tragedy of the Commons/Tragedy of Capital, some notes > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > A general query re 'archives'. > > Someone in AoIR felt that the onus for > deciding which digital content or properties in digital form should be kept and which should be erased ought to lie with the Sys-Op. > > > Beside the fact that general policy > dictated at most universities a six month period beyond the end of contract of staff member or student - this varied depending > upon the storgage capacities of different institutions as well as their different > levels of polity in these matters, is this not > a difficult contract for the management of > digital properties, in the industries of education and of media at large? > > 1. the 'world view' of the sys-op is, the > sys-op would be the first to agree, a fairly narrow one. Hence the sys-op, blessed with > heightened 'wisdom' or not, is perhaps not the > best person to make judgement concerning > such properties. > > 2. This onus on the sys-op puts him or her > (but of course most often him) in a position > of legal responsibility that he or she would > nor the industry would like to bear. > > 3. the combination of fairly narrow > world-view with heightened legal responsibility compromises our digital properties to abuses of power. > > I have a few instances in mind. > I wonder what the general level of perception, understanding and insight is among the Association of Internet Researchers about > this question. > > I mean, are there any legal minds in AoIR, > and if not would AoIR like connection with > some? > > Lachlan Brown > > (416) 826 6937 > VM (416) 822 1123 > > > [Air-l] Re: Tragedy of the Commons/Tragedy of Capital, some notes > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:53:37 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] A general query re 'archives'. > Next message: [Air-l] Railway gauge > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Re the Commons > > Its important to make a distinction between > American models for 'the commons' and British/Commonwealth takes on 'the commons'. > The 'commons' in the American imaginary > seems to be equated with 'the frontier- > middle landscape' transistion in Turner's Frontier Thesis. > > The notion of 'the commons' in Britain inflects, among other things a tradition of public service altrusim (and of course Internet can be understood only in terms of the translations of this British and Commonwealth public service altrusim in several different contexts.) > > If Internet governance is to employ 'the commons' as a metaphor in the management of > change in Internet, then the several genealogies of 'the commons' as well as contemporary articulations of 'the commons' > need to be known; to help inform one or two insightful, and one would hope foresightful, re-articulations of an idea of 'the commons' that might be cited in a combined social/natural contract. > > Lachlan > > > -- > > > Air-l] re: introduction > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:22:04 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] "Hispanics log on to change" > Next message: [Air-l] re: introduction > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hello, my name is Lachlan Brown and I do Cultural Studies. > > Anyone got a problem with that? > > My research based at Goldsmiths College, University of > London, traced some of the meanings of ‘technology’ > as a symptom of broader social and cultural forces among > several producer and consumer constituents of Internet from > March 1993 through to mid-September 2001. > > The research was carried out with respect to the fields of > ideas, aesthetics and belief; policy, governance and politics; > regulation, legislation and the law in a number of institutional > locations appropriate to each field: early digital cultural art, > publishing and idea contexts; educational contexts; industry > contexts. > > The methodology involved a participant action research > that included developing an early online publication called > 'difference engine', teaching, and work in the industry. > > This research was conducted part time within the constraints > of work and family life. > > I live in Toronto, Canada, where I worked as editor prior to > beginning research into the field at Goldsmiths College, > University of London and spend a couple of months per > year in London, England. > > Having completed my research I am now implementing > a non-profit online publishing initiative as well as a > commercial publishing company focused in arts and > education. > > I am originally from Liverpool, England. > > > C.(416) 826 6937 > VM.(416) 822 1123 > > > Lachlan Brown > > > > [Air-l] re: introduction > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:53:44 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Blogging > Next message: [Air-l] re: introduction > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Ben, > > No I live in Toronto, but of course I am > very familiar with South East London. > > I taught at Goldsmiths College in 1994-96, > and I am working on an electronic project > called Coalition – ‘against hate online > and racism anywhere’ which is a > co-publication of Thirdnet Limited (my > publishing company) and the Centre for > Urban and Community Research at > Goldsmiths. It incorporates memories > and witness of the growth of diversity, > community, and justice in Lewisham > drawn from Joan Anim Addo’s work and > the lifelong work of others. It is > dedicated to everyone who knows or > remembers Laurie Grove SE14 and the > remarkable community of researchers > there, and it celebrates affinity > across and in spite of the processes > of globalization. > > I am familiar with your action research > in Ethical Strife. I am sure Morley, > McRobbie and Geraghty at Goldsmiths will > be interested in it too, hence I cc to > them. > > Perhaps we can chat about your work in Internet and the Large Group sometime. > > Big up the Marquis of Granby for me. > > No strife, my opener is just a reference > to the blocking of a post I made. I > have a few points as a scholar of Internet, > and as a Dad, to make to the assembled > Association of Internet Researchers at this critical time in defining public service internet and commercial internet and the > ethics and the Law that applies to each. > > Take care > > Lachlan Brown > > > Don't know yet.. > > I live just down the road from Goldsmiths - do you live in this part of > London? > > Ben > > > > > Hello, my name is Lachlan Brown and I do Cultural Studies. > > > > Anyone got a problem with that? > > > > [Air-l] Job Vacancies > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:44:08 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Space and territoriality > Next message: [Air-l] books on blogging > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Vacancies have come up in my life for Two > more Queens of Cultural Studies to complete > the deck. > > The positions for the UK and for Canada > are already taken. > > Prospective candidates, hopefully more > au fait with contemporary culture, please > apply to editors@london.com > > > > Lachlan Brown > > > [Air-l] Of Burnished Gold > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Fri, 08 Feb 2002 16:38:45 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Redundancy Index: Air-l digest, Vol 1 #293 - 14 msgs > Next message: [Air-l] Of Burnished Gold > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > All, > > One must be careful following a query > concerning the demographics of the > Association of Internet Researchers > ([Air-l] Re: Outreach Working Group > Charge, with a minor tweak Lachlan Brown) > with a thread ([Air-l] Have you > received something like this? ) on the so > called 'Nigerian Scam'. > > Instead of alienating West Africa, and > those who share an affinity with West > Africa, or otherwise share an interest > in breaking stereotypes wherever they > occur and however they are articulated, > perhaps you could address the issue of > social inclusion seriously. A way to do > this is to be reflexive and open about > membership. > > My question arising from many, many > years research in the field related to > several 'gaps', or shall we simply > say 'a complete and utter lapses in > scholarship' in Internet Research, arose > from reading an important misaddressed > email in AoIR concerning 'outreach' > strategies highlighting the need for > greater social inclusion. > > What we get from AoIR is endless wittering > about 'The Nigerian Scam'. > > What social literacies are represented > by the Association of Internet Researchers? > > How are the industries of education and of > media and communications best served in > their need for informed scholarship and > advice concerning 'future markets'? > > > One way to understand these literacies > is to have a breakdown, even a rough > guesstimate, of the demographics of AoIR, > which is, as far as I can see, a locus of > power in Internet and Scholarship. > > The estimate or breakdown is important > too to my initial intervention 'Bring Me My Bow' etc (Blakes "Jerusalem' far > from being a nationalist hymn is a poem to spiritual and intellectual striving, > inflected by irony, political satire, but > also by love.) of January, which raises > ethical and legal concerns for a number of constituencies of Internet. During the years > use of Internet has, it seems, grown from > 'cyberpunk in boystown' to take a place in > the middle of our communication and > media lives. Users, so I hear, now include > the extremely angry mothers constititency, > the raging grannies against technofascism, > Street Kids against poor Internet > Scholarship, not to mention the 'we know > where you live' students against child > abuse constituency, concerned about the exploitation of innocents in the industry > and in education. > > Please provide the information I requested. > > I asked for a rough estimate, if hard > data is not available, on the demographics > of the Association of Internet Researchers. > > > [Air-l] Re: Outreach Working Group Charge, > with a minor tweak Lachlan Brown > > [Air-l] Subscribe FREE to Design Research News Ken Friedman > [Air-l] Have you received something like this? Cristian Berrio > [Air-l] Have you received something like this? jeremy hunsinger > [Air-l] Have you received something like this? Adrian Higginbotham > [Air-l] Have you received something like this? Gina Neff > [Air-l] Have you received something like this? Steve Fox (NLG) > [Air-l] Have you received something like this? david silver > [Air-l] Have you received something like this? Sean Cubitt > Down Sean, Down Boy. > [Air-l] Re: Lurking Uwe Matzat > [Air-l] Redundancy Index: Air-l digest, Vol 1 #293 - 14 msgs James Watt > [Air-l] Redundancy Index: Air-l digest, Vol 1 #293 - 14 msgs jeremy > hunsinger > [Air-l] Have you received something like this? Steve Jones > > BTW: 'The Nigerian Scam' is a perennial. I received a snail mail about it in 1991 in > Toronto at Between the Lines Press. It is > annoying, but it is hardly the 'thread of > the moment'. > > > In Nettime 'the Nigerian Scam' appeared > as Nettimers began considering 'race and ethnicity'. It also appeared in a > couple of industry groups when the question > of 'social inclusion' arose. > > > Lachlan Brown > > Cultural Studies > Goldsmiths College > > > > > [Air-l] Of Burnished Gold > Steve Jones air-l@aoir.org > Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:56:51 -0600 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Of Burnished Gold > Next message: [Air-l] Of Burnished Gold > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > At 4:38 PM -0500 2/8/02, Lachlan Brown wrote: > [...stuff deleted, redundancy possibly avoided, important things > potentially left out...] > >Please provide the information I requested. > > For information about subscribers to air-l, you can send a "who" > command - e-mail to air-l-request@aoir.org with the word who in the > subject or body of the message. > > Concerning AoIR members, from the voluntary members listing on > aoir.org, 74 of 452 members have input geographical information, as > follows: 56/74 are in the USA. England accounts for 3, Finland, > Indonesia, Germany, Denmark and Canada for 2 each, and the following > for 1: Singapore, Wales, Netherlands, Lithuania, Portugal, Thailand, > India, Hungary, Mexico, China. One person identified as coming from > planet earth (I assure you it wasn't me). > > Best, > Sj > > > > [Air-l] storming.forming.informing > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Sat, 09 Feb 2002 15:39:16 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] origin of the species > Next message: [Air-l] storming.forming.informing > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Thank you Stephen, > > and you too Nancy... > > Mostly Americans, eh? > > >In the meantime, believe me, there have been over 200 messages > exchanged on the executive committee mailing list so far in February. > I think it's a safe bet that the general readership of air-l does not > want to be burdened with all of our thought progresses at each moment > >of their evolution. > > Is this normal traffic or has something > exceptional occured? > > > Lachlan > > > > [Air-l] storming.forming.informing > Steve Jones air-l@aoir.org > Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:48:04 -0600 > > Previous message: [Air-l] storming.forming.informing > Next message: [Air-l] storming.forming.informing > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > What's been exceptional, with no disrespect intended toward the > previous executive committee who labored simply to get AoIR off the > ground in the first place, is the number of new initiatives proposed > by committee members, by AoIR members, and by others, resulting in > our suddenly having a surfeit of work to do, help to solicit, > policies and procedures to sort out, in addition to the upcoming > conference this year (and next year...and readying for a call for > hosts for after that, and...). > > I don't know about the "mostly Americans" thing...it would appear > there are, as Nancy said, more American residents. I'm not sure it's > possible to say more than that, though, without inference. > > Sj > > > [Air-l] Re: Undercurrents > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:08:23 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] advice please:online citations > Next message: [Air-l] Re: advice please:online citations > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > You are invited to join Undercurrents, a new on-line discussion about how > cyberfeminism, new technologies, postcoloniality and globalization are > interrelated. What follows is our opening statement and the announcement of > a > special Undercurrents project. We have composed this introduction in the > hope > of providing a solid basis for the development of a productive and enriching > discussion that could evolve into events, publications and other projects. > > To subscribe send the following message to majordomo@bbs.thing.net: > "subscribe undercurrents YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS" > > We hope that you will join us. > > Undercurrents Moderators: > Irina Aristahrkova, Maria Fernandez, > Coco Fusco and Faith Wilding > > > [Air-l] Citing Online Resources > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:45:29 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Fw: Lessig > Next message: [Air-l] Citing Online resources 1/2 > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Oh, I almost forgot... > > If the production of knowledge is to be > the growth industry we are led to believe it > will be, and clearly expect it to be where > we have investments in the field, > there is an additional complication to > help provide endless work for the scholars > of the future, particularly those concerned with the heremeneutics of the digital file. > > Not only the date of production and consumption of the online work must be cited, but the date, in specific > instances, where these instances cast > light upon the politics of the production > of knowledge, and insight into the 'megla-media' aspirations of particular scholars, > of erasure of files must also be > cited. One suspects feminism(s) might > extend their inquiry to The Archive to > extend the domains of feminist inquiry to > the very basis of the University and of > Scholarship. > > I love scholarship. > > Lachlan > -- > > > [Air-l] Citing Online resources 1/2 > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:53:20 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Citing Online Resources > Next message: [Air-l] Question about computer/Internet surveys/experiments in a class > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is the first of two messages. For some reason the first post did not go up. > > Citing online sources. > > >Give your best effort to provide the reader with a guide to where to find > it. > And for Internet stuff, the date accessed (or should it be the date posted > >to the Web, if avai[l]able?) > > This is a great example of a 'renversement' > brought about by new relations of mediation > and distribution. > > The date produced (which very often may not > be known) or the date read? It > seems this is a significant difference in > the authority of the text (and this 'authority' of the text is marked by > its citation in scholarship). It foregrounds > the context of the production of the citation > while rendering the general 'context' or general > historical (given) media background less relevant > in an understanding of the governance in knowledge that applies to this field. > > Scholarship of Internet, ethically and legally, must cite both the date > of production of digital files (where known - and if not known > this merely indicates the place of further productive scholarship - Internet hermenuetics?) and the date of consumption. > The outcome is an institutionalisation of > a subjective/objective collective > scholarship. The same method can be applied > to conventional (scriptural economy) > scholarship. > > Lachlan Brown > > -- > > [Air-l] Scholarship or Private Investigation? > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:49:29 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Party on, dude! > Next message: [Air-l] Chill. > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hmmm... end this thread and move along. > > Legally fraught to snoop people, > a number of laws, of Canada, of Ontario, > of the USA and of North Corlina come into > play here. Contractual matters re: Faculty > of the University of Toronto and so on. Tricky. > More come into play when you discuss a > private investigation in a public place, > ie this list with 1000+ people, most of > whom you do not know. > > Both your namesake, Barry Wellman of > North Carolina, and Amercia Online are impacted by this discussion. Unwise to continue it unless you are raising concerns concerning a breach to your own rights. > In this case you have a right to make as > much of a fuss as you like, as long as it > does not impact the rights of others. > > Ethically fraught - sets a very bad example > to students. > > Morally? What are you doing snooping via MapQuest the 'suburban crescents' of Raleigh North Carolina? > > One is required to assume goodwill > in others and to show goodwill toward > others in the social contract, and > I do not see why the mediation of numerous > communication and information technologies, their institutions public and private, and commercial manifestations provide reason to > dump the patient work of centuries. > > Give the chap a call. Probably a namesake > interested in his namesake. Bother us no > longer with paranoia. > > Carry on, Net Lab. > > Bob Briggs, keep your strange-sounding AOL > e-mail address to yourself, please. > > Lachlan Brown > > Cultural Studies > Goldsmiths College > > In a message dated 2/20/2002 8:25:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, > wellman@chass.utoronto.ca writes: > > > I checked on his name and there is someone at that address at Raleigh. In > > what Mapquest suggests is a residential neighborhood (lots of suburban > > crescents). > > > > A web search reveals nobody by that name in Raleigh. > > > > Is this a well-known scam or spam-finder. > > It is not necessarily a scam; if it is, I've surely not heard of it. But I'd > also be rather cautious regarding personal mail from a complete stranger > until identity and motives can be sorted out better. Many well-intentioned > folks use the Internet for bona fide genealogical research, whether at a > professional or amateur level. Some try to get in touch with people who > might be related, not only to fill in branches of family trees but also > simply to make friendly connections. > > Cheers, > > Bob Briggs (with a strange-sounding AOL e-mail address) > Westport, MA > > > -- > > > [Air-l] Party on, dude! > Ken Friedman air-l@aoir.org > Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:21:21 +0100 > > Previous message: [Air-l] software for chat files? > Next message: [Air-l] Scholarship or Private Investigation? > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Whoa! > > That righteous dude Barry Wellman has > come up with the dream theme of the > decade. > > I, too, have been avalanched by letters > from friends, cronies, high government > colleagues, exiled colleagues, wives, > nephews, and sons of the present or > former dictators of Nigeria, Liberia, > Congo, and Sierra Leone. So far, I've > heard nothing from Zimbabwe, but I'm > alert. > > All these people have one hundred million > dollars or so in a Swiss bank, a locked > box, a safe place, a bookshelf, or a desk > drawer at the Centre for Urban and > Community Studies. > > They'll give me 25% for helping them > invest it. Is this an opportunity or what? > > The idea of a party is brilliant. Let's get > them all together. It'll be a cross between > the WEF, the WWF, and a TupperWare > Party. > > I'll be there, dude. > > When I arrive, I'll just tell them I'm > Barry Wellman. Unless he's already there, > along with that other guy who has the > same name. > > > Ken Friedman > Economist, Philosopher, and Party Animal > > > > [Air-l] Chill. > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:57:38 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Scholarship or Private Investigation? > Next message: [Air-l] Scholarship or Private Investigation? > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sobriety, please, Ken Friedman > Economist, Philosopher, and Party Animal > > Whatever you do in your liesure time is > of no interest whatsoever to this forum > of scholarly debate. > > I believe we were planning to muster for > Maastricht, and thereafter Trier in the > autumn to contest the American Succession > to Global Hegemony? > > Lachlan Brown > Cultural Studies > Goldsmiths College > > > >Whoa! > > That righteous dude Barry Wellman has > come up with the dream theme of the > decade. > > I, too, have been avalanched by letters > from friends, cronies, high government > colleagues, exiled colleagues, wives, > nephews, and sons of the present or > former dictators of Nigeria, Liberia, > Congo, and Sierra Leone. So far, I've > heard nothing from Zimbabwe, but I'm > alert. > > All these people have one hundred million > dollars or so in a Swiss bank, a locked > box, a safe place, a bookshelf, or a desk > drawer at the Centre for Urban and > Community Studies. > > They'll give me 25% for helping them > invest it. Is this an opportunity or what? > > The idea of a party is brilliant. Let's get > them all together. It'll be a cross between > the WEF, the WWF, and a TupperWare > Party. > > I'll be there, dude. > > When I arrive, I'll just tell them I'm > Barry Wellman. Unless he's already there, > along with that other guy who has the > same name. > > > > [Air-l] Credit Card Fraud On The Internet! > Cem Timurkan air-l@aoir.org > Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:19:45 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Scholarship or Private Investigation? > Next message: [Air-l] Credit Card Fraud > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi all! I am recently doing a research about 'Credit Card Fraud On The > Internet'. Assume that I have a Web site and I face with a credit card fraud > situation. Who should I call to solve this problem legally? Thanks in > advance. > > Sincerely, > > Cem Timurkan > > > [Air-l] Credit Card Fraud > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:49:52 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Credit Card Fraud On The Internet! > Next message: [Air-l] The Research Police > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Police. > > >Hi all! I am recently doing a research about 'Credit Card Fraud On The > Internet'. Assume that I have a Web site and I face with a credit card fraud > situation. Who should I call to solve this problem legally? Thanks in > advance. > > Sincerely, > > >Cem Timurkan > > > > [Air-l] The Research Police > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:55:02 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Credit Card Fraud > Next message: [Air-l] Chocolate > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hmmm, > > since you are doing > > >research about 'Credit Card Fraud' > > and cite a hypothetical instance supposing > you had a 'web page' you should research > how the police go about policing credit card > fraud. > > Lachlan > > > -- > > Air-l] Chocolate > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:24:56 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] The Research Police > Next message: [Air-l] mea non culpa > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > artclay <artclay@netsurfer.ch> > > >no author? > > Men aged 12 to 19 consume the most amount of chocolate. > Women aged 30 to 39 are the next largest group of chocolate consumers. [log!k = pouerfl] > > For some people, the lure of chocolate can be overwhelming. [log!k = v.pouerfl] > > > !t = log!kl dzat dze !log!kl should kontrad!kt dze log!kl > > > > > > > > > > > - > - > - > > > > > > > > > > > /_/ > / > \ \/ i should like to be a human plant > \/ __ > __/ > i will shed leaves in the shade > \_\ because i like stepping on bugs > > > > *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- > Netochka Nezvanova nezvanova@eusocial.com > http://www.eusocial.com > > http://www.ggttctttat.com/! > n r . 5 !!! http://steim.nl/leaves/petalz > *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- --*--*--*--*--*--*-- > > > > > > > > > > http://www.m9ndfukc.org/data/filmz/chocolat.mov > > > BIBLIOGRAPHY > > "Chocolate: Just Say Yes," > > > > [Air-l] mea non culpa > Barry Wellman air-l@aoir.org > Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:59:14 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Chocolate > Next message: [Air-l] mea non culpa > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hey, I didn't do nothing wrong. > > I gave out the fact that the guy has just discovered that he was Born (not > now using) with the same name as me. He's not identifiable as such on the > web or any directory. Is Google-using now a crime? If so I commited > again, by searching on Lachlin's name. > > I didn't give out his current name nor his address. > > And since when is finding out where someone lives on Mapquest an ethical > or a moral crime? I wanted to find out if there was anyone with that name > in that city. All I said was "suburban crescents," which limits ID to > about 3/4 of the residential parts of that growing city , I'd guess. > > And actually I think I do know about 1/3 of the people on > this list. > > I will take folks' advice and call the guy, from a non-primary phone and > with *67 call-display blocked disabled. > > As there seems to be some interest: > If it's kosher, I will ask my namesake's permission to report back here. > If it ain't kosher, I willprovide some summary info. But it may not be for > a while, as everyone once in a while I gotta do some work, take a trip > (guest lecturing at CMU Wed & Thurs for all those P'burghers online), and > even relax for a while. > > I have neither time nor interest to get into a flame war, & won't respond > any mor. But that's my .02. YMMV. > > Barry > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Barry Wellman Professor of Sociology NetLab Director > wellman@chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman > > Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto > 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 > ___________________________________________________________________ > > [Air-l] The Other Barry Wellman? > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:04:34 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Re: references on gender, age, support & info tech use > Next message: [Air-l] Carnivore, Omnivore, Amerivore, Va > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I'm a one-man flamewar, Barry, methodologically speaking. Sorry, It's my > way of saying 'hello'. Ask Morley. An > outcome of a seven year cultural > anthropology of Internet, [The Internet > Edda?] a journey through a distinctly familiar/unfamiliar culture, western technoculture and the institutions > it impacted/impacts. > > >I will take folks' advice and call the guy, >from a non-primary phone and > >with *67 call-display blocked disabled. > > Seems sensible, lol. But let's get beyond > the paranoia bound up in our technologies > and our selves. Some of the language reacting > to my intervention 'erasure', 'redundancy', > 'exterminate' seems to be taken from the > Dalek lexicon. > > I come in peace. > > > Lachlan Brown > > > [Air-l] Carnivore, Omnivore, Amerivore, Va > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:02:01 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] The Other Barry Wellman? > Next message: [Air-l] Dragonnet > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/omnivoreproposal.html > > http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/carnivorediagrams.html > > http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/purpose.html > > http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/army.html > > http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/omnivorecloseout2.html > > http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/jud_comm.html > > http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/deployments.html > > > -- > > [Air-l] Dragonnet > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:53:47 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Carnivore, Omnivore, Amerivore, Va > Next message: [Air-l] CFP: THE THIRD WIRELESS WORLD CONFERENCE > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [for some reason this post did not go through > first time] > > The aesthetics of erasure > > > a personal favourite: > > http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/dragonnet.html > > > Lachlan Brown > http://...- > > > -- > > > Air-l] Jimpunk visits Mouchette at the m.org.ue > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:21:10 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] CFP: THE THIRD WIRELESS WORLD CONFERENCE > Next message: [Air-l] the double negative > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.mouchette.org/film/stills/dead.html > > http://www.jimpunk.com/www/m.org.ue/ > > > -- > > > [Air-l] the double negative > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:08:51 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Jimpunk visits Mouchette at the m.org.ue > Next message: [Air-l] A spam to remember .... > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Well... > > The double negative is a victim of Scholasticism in the 15th century. Prior > to the application of Latin grammatical > rules to the English language when the rough speeche was admitted to the provincial Universities of Oxford and Cambridge, subaltern to the greater Universities of Europe, the double negative, which reinforced refusal, was perfectly good grammar in English. I can assure you that > it still is, particularly in situations or > in conditions where the language is stressed > contextually. It carries and delivers the > tremendous force and vigour in the language: 'I never did nothing': > 'twice over am I to be considered innocent > of the charge!' It is usually accompanied by > a bodily gesture and two balled fists. > > Alliterative English would never be nowhere > without the double negative. > > Consider the Old English Poem > 'The Seafarer'... another time maybe. > > What are 'Nordic Sports' at Luther? Sounds rough and Hebridean. > > Lachlan Brown > > > > > [Air-l] Wellman vs Wellman > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:56:28 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Internet research project: BabyBoomWomen@Work2020 > Next message: [Air-l] request for descriptions of experiences > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Barry, > > Thank you for providing a hypothetical > case in this research environment. Thank > you also for the ToC of the Internet + > Everyday Life book which looks excellent. > > > I’ll write early in the week, in the > meantime everyone take a break to celebrate > the remarkable achievement of our sister > Esther among the Babylonians. > > Lachlan Brown > > > -- > > > > [Air-l] re: The West African Scam > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:50:24 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Policy on e-health in European countries > Next message: [Air-l] re: The West African Scam > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The experience of western technology in > West Africa seems to be mediated by multinational mining corporations, > personal and corruption, killings, and desperate pleas. It is little wonder that > one of the primary uses of email from > West Africa is variation on this dreadful > tale. > > As with so many things about internet’s > re-distributive aspects tied with these > new mediations of our world, we are seeing > our culture represented in ways that are > unfamiliar, strange and implausible to us, > but actually tell it like it is from the > perspective of people in West Africa. > > > Westerners look like people who would buy > into this kind of thing and approve of > the method of sales. > > > Lachlan Brown > > > Airs, good to read the two cases in the > Ethics committee section. Goldsmiths wavered > a bit, but The Pope seems interested, I'll > be in touch. > > Lachlan > > > http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/pccs/documents/rc_pc_pccs_doc_20020228_ethics-internet_en.html > > > > > Air-l] See also Church + Internet > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:54:44 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] call for papers > Next message: [Air-l] Policy and laws on e-health in European countries -2 > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/pccs/documents/rc_pc_pccs_doc_20020228_church-internet_en.html > -- > > > [Air-l] Oxford University Internet Institute > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Sun, 03 Mar 2002 17:17:47 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] FW: Peer-to-Peer Pump Priming for Progress > Next message: [Air-l] Position announcement > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > OXFORD INTERNET INSTITUTE > Visiting Fellows > > RESEARCH STAFF GRADE IA: £17,451 to £26,229 (with a discretionary range up to £32,215) > > The University has recently established the Oxford Internet Institute (OII). With initial funding of £15m, this new department in the Social Science Division aims to grow rapidly to become the world's leading independent centre of excellence in academic research on the impact of the Internet on society. The OII also expects to make a significant contribution to the development of public policy towards the Internet. > > The Oxford Internet Institute invites applications for up to three Visiting Research Fellowships for the academic year 2002/2003, or part thereof. Applications will also be considered for periods starting in the present academic year. > > These Fellowships are intended to offer persons of outstanding distinction or promise an opportunity to pursue research related to the concerns of the OII. Applications may be in any area related to the work of the OII, but, for the time being, preference will be given to research in one or more of the following areas: public broadband, education and the Net, e-democracy, e-governance (both the governance of the Internet and the governance of other organisations using the new technology), and the evolution of standards. > > Fellows will normally be expected to reside in or near Oxford for the majority of their visit. They will be entitled to office space at the OII, which is located at 1 St Giles, at the very heart of Oxford and to participate fully in the intellectual life of the OII and the wider University. They will be expected to cooperate with the work plans of the OII under the guidance of the Director. Salary will be in the range above (or pro rata for shorter appointments). > > Applications should include: (a) a letter explaining why you are interested and qualified for one of these positions; (b) a statement, on not more than 2-3 sides of A4, setting out the research you will undertake during the Fellowship; (c) a full curriculum vitae; and (d) the names and of two referees (at least one of whom should be academic). Applicants are requested to arrange for their references to be sent direct to the OII by the closing date. > > Further information may be obtained from Linda Frankland, Project Co-Ordinator, Oxford Internet Institute, 1 St Giles, Oxford OX1 3JS (tel: 01865 287214; e-mail: linda.frankland@oii.ox.ac.uk) or from our website: http://www.oii.ox.ac.uk. Applications must reach Linda Frankland by midday on Friday 15th March 2002. > > > [Air-l] Digital Doomsday > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:45:36 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Re: synchronous/asynchronous > Next message: [Air-l] Sean Cubitt's Juvenelia Thread...Any Developments? > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > Date: Sunday, March 03, 2002, 2:57 PM -0500 > To: BOOK_ARTS-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU > Subject: Digital Domesday Book lasts 15 years not 1000 > > Digital Domesday Book lasts 15 years not 1000 > > Robin McKie and Vanessa Thorpe > Sunday March 3, 2002 > The Observer > > It was meant to be a showcase for Britain's electronic prowess - a > computer-based, multimedia version of the Domesday Book. But 16 years > after it was created, the =A32.5 million BBC Domesday Project has > achieved an unexpected and unwelcome status: it is now unreadable. > > The special computers developed to play the 12in video discs of text, > photographs, maps and archive footage of British life are - quite > simply - obsolete. > > As a result, no one can access the reams of project information - > equivalent to several sets of encyclopaedias - that were assembled > about the state of the nation in 1986. By contrast, the original > Domesday Book - an inventory of eleventh-century England compiled in > 1086 by Norman monks - is in fine condition in the Public Record > Office, Kew, and can be accessed by anyone who can read and has the > right credentials. > > > -- > > [Air-l] Sean Cubitt's Juvenelia Thread...Any Developments? > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:58:10 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Digital Doomsday > Next message: [Air-l] Animation from Japan > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > How's the emergence of issues first > raised by my intervention into > your email archive thread > concerning lapses in scholarship > over abuses in the industry, which > was followed up by a rather annoying > displacement of issues of social > inclusion coming along? > > Any developments? > > > > Lachlan Brown > > > > > > was Re: my email archives > > > I'm not quite sure what you mean by "archiving." <warschauer> > > >anyone else archived all their incoming and outgoing emails, <hunsinger> > > >How do we keep it secure (both in the > sense of "private" and in the sense of "safe")? How do we think about it, if at all, right now? > That is, I suspect we all have this sense of the "stuff" that we have > on our disks and hard drives, but how does that intersect and > interplay with how we feel about the box of letters we keep in the > closet? Will we encrypt stuff, or keep it open? Will we erase some? <jones> > > >One day no doubt the world will mourn the loss of my juvenilia. <cubitt> > > > [Air-l] Animation from Japan > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Mon, 04 Mar 2002 18:33:36 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Sean Cubitt's Juvenelia Thread...Any Developments? > Next message: [Air-l] something totally different > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > 'The site isn't in English, but it is self explanatory--just keep on clicking on the question marks for more pics and animated gifs. We think its funny. The right kind of humour goes a long way.' K > > > http://www.alpha-net.ne.jp/users2/chack/gloomy.html > -- > > [Air-l] The Sisters of No Mercy? > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Wed, 06 Mar 2002 14:51:40 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] [Fwd: 2002 Emerging Issues Conference] > Next message: [Air-l] smart spam playing dumb > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Of course, the apparent endorsement by > the Vatican of The Internet as a 'gift > from Christ' leading humanity 'toward communion' is no reason to slacken your > present efforts in identifying abuses > in scholarship and in industry, especially > in the field of ethics. > > The interest of the Vatican > in Ethics and Internet can mean only > one thing, that the body of the Catholic > Church, often a militant body, of some > 1 billion people, will take a personal > interest in your efforts. > > Nobody expects... but let's ditch > the Protestant Humour, eh? > > > Lachlan > -- > > [Air-l] Witchtrial > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:01:42 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] CFP: Towards Humane Technologies: Biotechnology, New Media, and Citizenship > Next message: [Air-l] trans-national diaspora networks > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > air-l@aoir.org > Cc: mcrobbie@gold.ac.uk,d.morley@gold.ac.uk,n.rose@gold.ac.uk, p.gilroy@gold.ac.uk,s.lash@gold.ac.uk > Subject: Witchtrial > Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:57:05 -0500 > > > > Barry, > > It is true that ad-hoc, learnt and > taught techniques of WorldWideWeb search, surveillance and internet investigation > have become normalised, but they haven't > been normal activities for very long, and > they remain normal practises only among a > few. > > Competence in these techniques or practices are unevenly distributed even among those > of us 'in the know' of Internet and its cultures, and are uncanny, indeed worse > than the uncanny, among those unfamiliar > with the technology and its cultures. > > The fascination of the social geographer > for physical, urban, social and human > mapping and interrelations is familiar to > me - I can be content with a map of a city > or a mapping of human interraction for > hours - but it might not be familiar to > others, and one can forsee how, during a > time of 'emergency' where 'public safety' > concerns override all other concerns > including birth rights, paranoia > produced by these uneven distributions > could be articulated, opportunely, to > advance a particular career, political > or personal agenda as a ‘charge’ in public, > a witchtrial, or, worse, imagine the case, imagine the consequence, of rumour, > innuendo, defamation and lies, without a 'charge' ever being laid. > > I hope I have illustrated how. > > > Lachlan Brown > > > [Air-l] trans-national diaspora networks > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:55:35 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Graduate programs? > Next message: [Air-l] trans-national diaspora networks > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Barry, > > Great stuff. Yes I think I can help you there. Please include me on the list. > > Lachlan > > [Air-l] trans-national diaspora networks > Barry Wellman air-l@aoir.org > Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:15:18 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Witchtrial > Next message: [Air-l] trans-national diaspora networks > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Folks, > I'd be grateful if anyone could point me to their (or others') work about > how the Internet links trans-national diasporic communities where some > folks have migrated from the home country and others haven't. I'm mostly > interested in email, but also Internet phone, web boards, Usenet, et al. > > En passant, the lovely Monsoon Wedding has some nice offhand references to > this, as the families come from Houston, Dubai, etc. for a Delhi wedding. > > Pls reply to me personally, and I will then summarize for the list. > > Barry > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Barry Wellman Professor of Sociology NetLab Director > wellman@chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman > > Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto > 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >Folks, > I'd be grateful if anyone could point me to their (or others') work about > how the Internet links trans-national diasporic communities where some > folks have migrated from the home country and others haven't. I'm mostly > interested in email, but also Internet phone, web boards, Usenet, et al. > > En passant, the lovely Monsoon Wedding has some nice offhand references to > this, as the families come from Houston, Dubai, etc. for a Delhi wedding. > > Pls reply to me personally, and I will then summarize for the list. > > Barry > > -- > > > > [Air-l] 3 queries & thanks > Barry Wellman air-l@aoir.org > Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:44:49 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] trans-national diaspora networks > Next message: [Air-l] Request for information: Journalists reporting Internet stats > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Folks, > > I want to thank the at least a dozen people who sent me great info about > diasporas and the Net today. I will summarize it when I get a chance, > which may not be till March, because of 2 deadlines. > > The best story I heard was about the guy giving a Powerpoint talk at a > major US grad university that is wireless equipped, when his mother's > babytalk chat to her little son popped up in an Instant Messaging window > to the amusement of all. > > As you may have gathered, I am pushing towards finishing a review piece. > > I have a few other queries for info? > 1. I'd appreciate leads into IM and SMS. Not just prevalence, and who is > doing it for what. Both adolescent and adult based. And special kinds of > speech communities. > > 2. Anything about teens' use of the Net to engage in community would also > be appreciated -- IM, email, chat, Usenet, etc. > > 3. I have heard that Internet phone is one of the most commonly used Net > things in the developing world. Is this true, and if it is, where is it > documented and analyzed. > > As for diasporas, when I become post-deadline, I will digest this for AOIR > list, so no need to post your private messages to the list. > > Barry > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Barry Wellman Professor of Sociology NetLab Director > wellman@chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman > > Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto > 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > [Air-l] My intervention in AoIR > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:40:33 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Moderator comment re my intervention. > Next message: [Air-l] My intervention in AoIR > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Jeremy, Thanks for your note. And what appears to be a warning. > > I am encouraged by responses and by > coments from AoIR members as well > as people on other lists, people in the community, as well as colleagues. I > intervened > in an thread concerning revision to > email archives, and a remarkable comment > by my former colleague Sean Cubitt. > 'one day the world will mourn the loss of my juvenilia' in the context of the revision > of email archives. > > > It is refreshing to see a turnabout > in AoIR around questions of social inclusion > and it is clear that my intervention has > been successful to the degree that areas > that should have been subject to research > are now being considered. There remain large > areas of internet not yet referenced > and there are some keys to what these may be in some of the posts since my intervention. I look forward to teasing reaction out further. > > What I am doing is necessary. I suggest you > help highlight abuses in scholarship and > in the industry otherwise people will wonder > what your motives are in not doing so. > > I am hardly a 'newbie'. I employ strategies and tactics contingent to the lists response and lack of it. Did you read my introduction to AIR-L in January 2002? > > Lachlan Brown > > > > > > > > > > > you may want to refrain from doing the personal material via the list re > > > your last barry comment. While i think doing it does satisfy a certain > > > point of theory, it also probably undermines the point of that theory, > > > the 'newbie' appearance... it causes people to ignore. I am pretty sure > > > that you are against being ignored. > > > jeremy hunsinger > > > jhuns@vt.edu > > > on the ibook > > > www.cddc.vt.edu > > > www.cddc.vt.edu/jeremy > > > www.dromocracy.com > > > > > > > > > > [Air-l] Does anyone need a Thesaurus? > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:49:53 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] My intervention in AoIR > Next message: [Air-l] My intervention in AoIR > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > There seems to be a little confusion over > the nature of my intervention in AoIR. > It hinges on the meaning of the word > Juvenilia in the context of revision of > email archives [Jan 2002] > > Consult your Thesaurus. > > End a culture of Internet do not seek > to perpetuate it. > > There are a number of reactions to my > intervention that I will reply to later this week. > > > Lachlan Brown > -- > > > [Air-l] My intervention in AoIR > jeremy hunsinger air-l@aoir.org > Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:15:45 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] My intervention in AoIR > Next message: [Air-l] Does anyone need a Thesaurus? > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > laclan, > > it was not a warning. if you received a warning from me for any action > involving systems I work with it would be very clear as to its intent > and it would probably first arrive in writing via the mail, most likely > certified. Below contrary to your intuition and portrayal is my > attempt to help you in some manner to further your project. > > what I was suggesting in my message, and which you so thankfully ignored > is the insight that if you wish to act in a way that is intended to > bring about some critical moment or to attain whatever your goals may > be, that you try to do it in a manner that that minimally sustains your > project. For instance, a flagrant misappropriation of a helpful e-mail, > which was offered to you personally, in most lists, would be considered > a horrible breach of list etiquette, yet in your project you clearly, > for no apparent reason, forgo such common understandings for a higher > purpose. Which, as I say below, seems to me to undermine your project > and make it appear like it is being put forth by someone somewhat > unfamiliar with the ways lists and the communities around them work, in > other words a 'newbie'. In most lists for such actions, you would be > dropped in a kill-file until you demonstrated merits to do otherwise, > but this is a list that entertains a plurality of voice and I think you > should have your voice and be able to try to achieve your purpose. A > voice though, I'm sure you would agree, is only as powerful as those > listening. > > I remember precisely your introduction and while I believe that you have > every intention of appropriate action. I find it unconvincing that > while you could have such a solid background in matters relating to the > internet and culture that you cannot discern help from harm, nor proper > usage from improper. A list, Lachlan, is meant for the list, and an > e-mail is meant to be e-mail. If you wish to take this matter up > further feel free to talk to others, because unlike the list, I do have > a kill file in my e-mail and I have no problems using it. If you want > removed from it, you know what to do. > > complaints regarding messages on this list pursuant to this can be > logged to air-l-admin@aoir.org > > people who would like advice as to how to set up a kill-file or similar > apparatus for their system can contact me in the usual ways. > > > >> > >> > >> > >>> you may want to refrain from doing the personal material via the list > >>> re > >>> your last barry comment. While i think doing it does satisfy a certain > >>> point of theory, it also probably undermines the point of that theory, > >>> the 'newbie' appearance... it causes people to ignore. I am pretty > >>> sure > >>> that you are against being ignored. > >>> jeremy hunsinger > >>> jhuns@vt.edu > >>> on the ibook > >>> www.cddc.vt.edu > >>> www.cddc.vt.edu/jeremy > >>> www.dromocracy.com > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > Air-l] Confused re this list !! > Denise Carter air-l@aoir.org > Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:21:31 -0000 > > Previous message: [Air-l] CGDC 2002 programme and registration opens > Next message: [Air-l] The Semantic Web > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1CB4A.6428D2E0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Am I the only person who is confused about this list? > > I have subscribed to this list for two years and have been a member of = > the aoir for the last year. I have always found this list to be useful = > and informative ... sometimes in the area of my own research...but often = > instructive in the directions other peoples research is taking. > > Occasionally I have asked for clarification of particular concepts with = > which I was struggling. Sometimes I have eagerly read other message = > strings, and followed the links and readings that they have suggested. > > In my own research I have used the aoir research committee's paper on = > the ethics of internet research as my guide. Inthe past if I haven't had = > the time to read the air-list messages I have saved them in a file to = > read later in case I missed something important.=20 > > But now.... > > Well I am finding that at least 50% (and rising) messages are not worth = > the effort of reading ... and I am not complaining about the odd = > personal messages or friendly banter because that helps me to see you as = > people ... its just that I have this odd feeling that we (the list = > members) are being provoked. I don't know why and I'm not going to name = > names. But I want to know why I feel as if I'm being provoked ... and I = > don't want the reasons wrapped up in pseudo-academic speech ! > > It would be nice for the aoir list to return to it's reason for = > existing, and the reason that I and many others subscribed in the first = > place ... I have cut and pasted that raison-d'etre here from the aoir = > web site:- > "The Association of Internet Researchers is an academic association = > dedicated to the advancement of the cross-disciplinary field of Internet = > studies. It is a resource and support network promoting critical and = > scholarly Internet research independent from traditional disciplines and = > existing across academic borders. The association is international in = > scope." > > Anyone care to lessen my confusion? > > Denise Carter > DOCTORAL STUDENT > CASS > UNIVERSITY OF HULL > EMAIL: d.m.carter@cas.hull.ac.uk > OR: denisecarter@denisecarter.net > > > Air-l] >Anyone care to lessen my confusion? > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:23:05 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Major Online Communities Report from Pew Internet and American Life Project > Next message: [Air-l] >Anyone care to lessen my confusion? > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Anyone care to lessen my confusion? > > Yes, I will do that. > > I am Lachlan Brown and I do Cultural Studies. Some people appear to have a problem with that. I have an introduction to AoIR. Thanks for: > > "The Association of Internet Researchers is an academic association = > dedicated to the advancement of the cross-disciplinary field of Internet = > studies. It is a resource and support network promoting critical and = > scholarly Internet research independent from traditional disciplines and = > existing across academic borders. The association is international in = > scope." > > This is a cultural studies mandate. ‘cross-disciplinarity’ > > I'm making an intervention, a long intervention it seems, perhaps a series of interventions covering a number of years, if necessary, into the state of Internet scholarship to identify productive lines of inquiry that scholarship in this field has > felt for one reason or another unable or > not empowered to take on. They are meant to inflect the course of Internet industry from > present trends (which I am sure Industry will welcome) towards ones more compatible with our culture(s) and to help inform our culture(s) at large about Internet. > > I have considerable experience in the field. > > It makes common sense to me to intervene here to highlight significant lapses, oversights, > absenses, and indeed erasures in Internet scholarship. > The intervention may seem confusing, that’s partly the point, to de-familiarize or make what you think is normal (and what some people here think is normal is very odd indeed) seem strange, but given the subjects to be discussed confusion along with distress, followed by collective action toward a healing seem appropriate emotions and responses. > > I have an introduction in the AIR-L. It would help if there was some way of > seeing other peoples’ names, research interests, links and a brief statement of interests, like they used to have (still have?) in MediaMOO. It is difficult to write to people’s queries or interests without knowing their work and affiliations. > > Don’t feel bad about your confusion. Confusion is an appropriate way to feel given the nature of the field. I wonder what your area of expertise is. > > I will summarise my queries so far shortly. > > Best > > Lachlan > > Lachlan Brown > Cultural Studies > Golsmiths College > University of London > > Thirdnet, Toronto > (416) 826 6937 > (416) 822 1123 > > > [Air-l] Lachlan's CV > Lachlan Brown air-l@aoir.org > Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:27:33 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] >Anyone care to lessen my confusion? > Next message: [Air-l] Lachlan's CV > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Susan [institutional affiliation? Lightspeed University perhaps?], > > I am returning to complete my Doctorate in Cultural Studies at Goldsmiths College after a period of research > in the industry as well as a period of care for a dying parent. My research is > undertaken part time within the constraints > of work and family life, very much in the tradition of British Cultural Studies. I > have > a history of the emergence of Intenret in culture and a cultural anthropology of this emergence. > > I ran the first web site devoted to broader cultural issues. It doubled (doubles) as a > way in to research the field as well host institutions, with remarkable outcomes. > > I am presently involved in a self-funding > post internet research exercise to sharpen > up my social science methodological skills. This involves > an empirical examination of the question: > 'tragedy of the commons or a tragedy of capital' and is carried out among common resources that fluctuate over time. I have found that no tragedy of the commons occurs. > > I like horseback riding (most weekends), impromtou skiing and winter fun, > winter activities in general, log rolling, > walks through the snowy woods, bracing winds, contemplating the many, many different patterns of snowflake, I like Russian women > presently. > > I enjoy teaching, reading, writing, and revolution. A labour of love. > > I have a fantastic daughter aged 10. > > I live in Toronto, where I am implementing long term plans for commercial and public service online publishing with former colleagues and with new collaborators, and > of course I spend time over in the UK. > > I am single and I am looking, but I am very picky. Any pics, 'susan'? hmmm... [I think this list needs a resource containing > research interests and institutional locations of members and contributors, as well as a > photo of each member. I mean, identity and > bodies kind of matter don't you think?]. > > > > Lachlan Brown > > > Name: George Lachlan Brown > > Email: lachlan@london.com > > Employment: > > Director > Thirdnet Ltd - 1999-present > > Education > > > PhD candidate (part time) in Media and Communications, 1994 - (Completing in the Centre for Cultural Studies.) > Goldsmiths' College, University of London. > The Emergence of Internet in Culture, > locations of production, networks of distribution, contexts of reception. > > Cultural implications of new media technologies in relation to the histories > and structures of print. A focus in the political economy and social geography of distribution of knowledge. New publishing technologies. Issues of Cultural Production, Community, Circulation and Reception in collaborative hypermedia. > Supervisor: David Morley. > > MA English Literature 1986 - 88. > University of New Brunswick, Canada. > > BA (Hons.) First Class, 1982 - 85. > Alsager College of Higher Education. > Human Geography, English Literature and Writing. > > Employment as Lecturer: > > Lecturer, 1997 - 1998 > Department of Innovation Studies, > University of East London > Maryland House > Manbey Park Road > London E15 > > Visiting Lecturer, JMU, Liverpool, September 1996 - May 1997 School of Media, Critical > and Creative Arts > Courses: > Digital Cultures, Local and Global Cultures, Cultural Studies, Audiences, Media Histories, Reporting and the Reported, Persuasion and Propaganda, Theories of Spectatorship,. > > Visiting Tutor, Media & Communications, Goldsmiths College, University of London. September 1994 - June 1996 > > Courses: > Foundations of Communications, Music and Popular Culture, Media, History and Politics, Political Economy of Mass Media. > > Employment as Editor: > > Managing Editor, Between the Lines Press. Toronto, 1991 - 92. > Supervision of publishing programme with > press whose list includes History, > Development and Third World issues, Media > and Cultural Politics. Liaison with authors, > editors, co-publishers. > > Managing Editor, Borderlines 1990 - 91. > Canadian cultural studies journal. > Responsible for all aspects of production > and editing. Initiation of projects. > Liaison between editorial committees, typesetter/ designer, printer. Training > of staff. > > Assistant Editor and Production Manager, > C Magazine 1990. > . > > Copy Editor, Public 1989 - 91. > Copy editing, scheduling production. > > > > Awards: > > British Council Young Academic Research Programme, Canada, Summer 1996 > Ontario Arts Council Writers' Reserve Grant 1992. > Commonwealth Scholarship (Canada) 1986 - 88. > > > > [Air-l] Lachlan's CV > Karim R. Lakhani air-l@aoir.org > Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:51:26 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Lachlan's CV > Next message: [Air-l] CSI Registration Deadline > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > this involves > an empirical examination of the question: > 'tragedy of the commons or a tragedy of capital' and is carried out > among common resources that > fluctuate over time. I have found that no tragedy of the commons occurs. > > > Tell us more please! > > Karim > > > [Air-l] Tragedy of the Commons > Ken Friedman air-l@aoir.org > Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:33:58 +0100 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Re: Diaspora Communities > Next message: [Air-l] The list > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > It is difficult to believe the assertion that > no empirical examples exist for a "tragedy of > the commons." > > The destruction of the forested hills of ancient Greece, > the reduction of America's aquifers and wetlands, > the extinction and near-extinction of hunted species > are all examples of a common good or property > held in common that has been wasted by over-use > under circumstances that fit the "tragedy of the > commons" model. > > Before making the claim that there is no empirical > evidence for a loss or extinction among common > resources that fluctuate over time, it is helpful > to examine empirical evidence with the help of > scientists who are qualified to interpret the > evidence. > > This begins with a crisp definition of what is meant > by the phrase "tragedy of the commons." Even > a fuzzy definition will do if it is reasonable. > > Historical data from several ten of thousand years > of human history clearly offers evidence that this > phenomenon occurs -- unless you want to argue that > the resource substitution or the continued presence > of human creatures is evidence that extinctions and > loss are not genuine examples. > > -- > > Ken Friedman, Ph.D. > Associate Professor of Leadership and Strategic Design > Department of Leadership and Organization > Norwegian School of Management > > Visiting Professor > Advanced Research Institute > School of Art and Design > Staffordshire University > > > [Air-l] re: Lachlan's CV (or stepping OVER the line) > Nancy Baym air-l@aoir.org > Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:36:48 -0600 > > Previous message: [Air-l] re: Lachlan's CV (or stepping OVER the line) > Next message: [Air-l] re: Lachlan's CV (or stepping OVER the line) > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mary Gray writes: > > >I'd like to ask the AIR members and > >leadership to rethink/reconsider our stand on guidelines for posting to this > >list > > Mary and others, the executive committee has been discussing this a > lot lately, so don't feel your concerns have gone unnoticed. I think > it's fair to say that if there is a consensus amongst list members > that we need to create a new standard of guidelines and means of > enforcing them, we are open to doing that. My preference has been to > let the list speak first. > > This list has been going for just under two and a half years and has > grown from 14 members to over 1,000. It's reasonable to expect weird > periods from time to time, and net scholars ought to figure out > together how to get through them with the kind of list we want this > to be intact. > > Nancy > _________________________________________________________ > Nancy Baym > nbaym@ku.edu > http://www.ku.edu/home/nbaym > Communication Studies, University of Kansas > 102 Bailey, 1440 Jayhawk Blvd., Lawrence, KS 66045, USA > Association of Internet Researchers: http://aoir.org > > > > [Air-l] re: Lachlan's CV (or stepping OVER the line) > Ewa Callahan air-l@aoir.org > Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:23:25 -0500 (EST) > > Previous message: [Air-l] re: Lachlan's CV (or stepping OVER the line) > Next message: [Air-l] re: Lachlan's CV (or stepping OVER the line) > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > One thing we can do as a community is to ignore indviduals > who post messages which do not comply with the list guidelines. The > inappropriate/offensive threads live usually as long us the inital message > gets responce. > > I am also for new guidelines for posting. The trafic on the list is quite > heavy, and deleting messages, which look like they wondered here from some > other list is quite tiring. > > Greetings, > Ewa Callahan > > > On Sat, 16 Mar 2002, Nancy Baym wrote: > > > Mary Gray writes: > > > > >I'd like to ask the AIR members and > > >leadership to rethink/reconsider our stand on guidelines for posting to this > > >list > > > > > [Air-l] re: Lachlan's CV (or stepping OVER the line) > Rob Furr air-l@aoir.org > Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:29:16 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] re: Lachlan's CV (or stepping OVER the line) > Next message: [Air-l] re: Lachlan's CV (or stepping OVER the line) > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > At 02:36 PM 3/16/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > >My preference has been to let the list speak first. > > > >This list has been going for just under two and a half years and has grown > >from 14 members to over 1,000. It's reasonable to expect weird periods > >from time to time, and net scholars ought to figure out together how to > >get through them with the kind of list we want this to be intact. > > While weird periods are only to be expected in any open or semi-open list, > I'd urge the governing authority to take some action relatively soon to > establish a minimum code of conduct. In my experience, open, unmoderated, > academic or scholarly forums that bear on anything even marginally > controversial tend to go through a fairly consistent life cycle, which > eventually winds up with either an overly draconian moderation scheme in > place on a second forum after the first one has been choked to death by > nonessential and off-topic clutter (such as, oh, Lachlan's so-called CV) > and arguments over the same, or plain old forum death. It is better to have > *some* policy in place right off the bat that handles such matters as "If > what you're posting is of interest to only one other person, don't send it > to the list, send it directly to that person," and the like, for no other > reason than it establishes the precedent and the right of posters on the > list to say "That's not appropriate for the list. Don't do it again." > Without that precedent, most people who feel that online forums are theirs > to do with what they will will say something along the lines of "You're not > the boss of me, you don't own this list, I can do whatever I want", and > blithely go on their merry way. It's a variant of Gresham's Law: bad forum > traffic *will* drive out good, unless there's some social mechanism in > place to handle it, and if a minimal level of control is not established > early in the life of the forum, a maximum level of control will be put into > place later, just out of overreaction to the preceding chaos. > > In short, then, while waiting for the list as a whole to decide on the > specifics and boundaries of a list use policy, you might want to put a bare > bones one together for the time being - the longer the list goes without > one at all, the harder it'll be to put the complete and definitive one into > place. > > Rob Furr > LAAPhysics > UNCG > http://laaphysics.org/ > > > > [Air-l] The list > Steve Jones air-l@aoir.org > Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:50:47 -0600 > > Previous message: [Air-l] Tragedy of the Commons > Next message: [Air-l] re: Lachlan's CV (or stepping OVER the line) > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Be assured that the AoIR executive committee has been discussing the > issue of whether to have posting guidelines for some time. While none > of us condone unethical and inappropriate behavior, we do have a > dilemma (or more than one, perhaps). While we can filter e-mail that > comes from an individual, one can just as easily change addresses and > re-post. Making the entire list moderated (so that each message is > "screened" by someone before posting) is a possibility, but will make > the list less synchronous than it is, and, depending on future list > traffic, may require considerable effort. (For the record, I find > that air-l has been relatively low-traffic). And how will someone > feel about the moderator, the possibility of moderating being > agenda-driven, the possibility that such a possibility will cause > someone to second-guess the motives of an agenda-less moderator, etc.? > > My thinking about e-mail lists in general is that, without > engagement, those who post inappropriately end up finding another > list to bother with. Perhaps I'm wrong. But I don't think it would be > hard to filter messages one's self, that is, without resorting to > technological means, by looking at who they are from. > > An important thing to keep in mind is that there is also the > potential issue of AoIR, as an incorporated not-for-profit, to in > some ways become "exclusive." A condition of our gaining permanent > 501(c)(3) status from the U.S. office of the I.R.S. is to not put up > significant barriers to membership and to be a "public" organization, > and I'd be a bit concerned that by keeping people from "speaking" > we'd have another serious issue on our hands. Another way to put that > is that we are not "just" a list. On the one hand we routinely engage > in such exclusion, for instance by virtue of choosing which papers > are accepted to our conference. On the other hand we are up front > about so doing, and there is a process, involving more than one > person, of determining who is invited to the conference to speak. But > we don't prevent anyone from attending the conference and speaking > during Q&A, for instance. > > These, among other things (such as attentiveness to the variety of > understandings of what "guidelines" are), are the kinds of things > we've been grappling with. > > I'll be happy to hear from anyone concerning these matters, > preferably (I assume) off-list. > > Thanks, > Sj > > > [Air-l] re: Lachlan's CV (or stepping OVER the line) > A Halavais air-l@aoir.org > Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:06:59 -0800 (PST) > > Previous message: [Air-l] The list > Next message: [Air-l] re: Lachlan's CV (or stepping OVER the line) > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > As a dedicated lurker, I've been reluctant to add more grist to an already > overproducing mill. Two brief observations: > > 1. There is nothing wrong with a set of explicit guidelines, though I'm > not at all sure that is the main issue. The question remains how we as a > community (a majority?) wish to enforce these guidelines. > > 2. I hope we won't turn a molehill into a mountain. A great deal of > delete-worthy email has been found in responses to Mr. Brown's often > annoying (in my extraordinarily humble opinion) posts. Those responses are > rarely more enlightening. While Mr. Brown's emails can easily be > discarded (filtered), the discussion surrounding them cannot. I propose > that if some of the topics being raised are not of general interest for > discussion on the list, we stop discussing them. > > I think the best short-term solution is to read selectively. I suspect we > all have daily email far into the hundreds of messages. I for one am > willing to spend the moment it takes to delete unwanted email, rather than > risk the potential chilling effects of moderation. > > - Alex > > > > > [Air-l] re: Lachlan's CV (or stepping OVER the line) > Mary L. Gray air-l@aoir.org > Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:31:09 -0800 > > Previous message: [Air-l] re: Lachlan's CV (or stepping OVER the line) > Next message: [Air-l] re: Lachlan's CV (or stepping OVER the line) > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hello folks, > > I'm reluctant to draw this list anymore off-course than it appears to be > careening, but I feel a line has been crossed that (to me) should not go > unnoticed. > > A member of the list (Susan) asked Lachlan Brown about his academic > background (which, reasonably could have been requested in a personal email, > but hey, it didn't seem to be an inappropriate question--just possibly a bit > off-topic). > > Mr. Brown chose to respond in what I take at points to be an unprofessional > tone that to my U.S. sensibilities smacks of (hetero)sexist sarcasm. I am > hoping there are at least a few people who find it > inappropriate/unproductive to write something of a mock personal ad that > states things like "I like Russian women presently" and "I am single and I > am looking, but I am very picky. Any pics, 'susan'? hmmm.." If you were > checking out AIR-L for the first time and came across these comments (or any > of Brown's postings for that matter), would you 1) have a sense of what this > list was for and 2) would you want to bother joining it? > > I think AIR (and AIR leadership) should have some interest in maintaining a > professional, respectful atmosphere associated with the AIR list. There was > a brief discussion of the dynamics of lists and whether moderated lists > squelched productive, vibrant communication flows. Theoretically, in an > unmoderated group, everyone can have their say. But, practically speaking, > (just as in the off-line world) if there are a few loud voices that take up > the speaking space, other voices are essentially silenced (or silence > themselves by leaving) in the process. I think we're assuming the idealistic > Habermasian "public sphere" transfers neatly to online spaces...and that's > an assumption worth critiquing (see Nancy Fraser's smart critiques of the > offline possibilities). Brown's unchecked involvement in this list has > certainly left me (for one) feeling steadily less interested in > participating in the list or recommending AIR-L to colleagues. > > We are all here to learn from and with each other. Brown's past list > submissions have added very little to this learning and his last posting was > nothing short of an affront to the list's intentions IMHO. (I should say, I > am learning quite a bit from the exchanges and developments of this > list--and from Brown's participation...but, honestly, I can learn about > sexism, insecurities and egocentrism within academia anywhere. I'd rather be > able to turn to this list for more intellectual conversation re: the > internet/new media research). > > So, now that I've vented on that, I'd like to ask the AIR members and > leadership to rethink/reconsider our stand on guidelines for posting to this > list (I really appreciated Geert Lovink's comments re: the value of > facilitation on this point). I'd be happy to work on the drafting of such > guidelines (I've been the co-moderator of a thriving USENET newsgroup for > queer and questioning youth [soc.support.youth.gay-lesbian-bi] since 1994 > so, I'd be glad to share what I've learned along the way). > > Sincerely, > Mary L. Gray > > > > > [Air-l] Lists similar to AoIR > JASON NOLAN air-l@aoir.org > Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:33:32 -0500 > > Previous message: [Air-l] March 2002 executive committee report > Next message: [Air-l] trans-national diaspora networks > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi; > > Are there any other lists similar to AoIR that are not presently so > encumbered with internal issues? > -- > Jason Nolan PhD > Scholar in Residence, > Knowledge Media Design Institute > University of Toronto > http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason/ > (416)978-5656/3884f > ICQ: 6238593 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > Win the Ultimate Hawaiian Experience from Travelocity. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;4018363;6991039;n?http://svc.travelocity.com/promos/winhawaii/ > > -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Win the Ultimate Hawaiian Experience from Travelocity. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;4018363;6991039;n?http://svc.travelocity.com/promos/winhawaii/ _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://amsterdam.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold