[Nettime-bold] Re: <nettime> net*&%$!art digest [thomas, hopkins, turgeon]

["Károly Tóth" <are@xs4all.nl>]

> >So which is it?

"not art" (1996,  without punctuation by the director of cbk-rotterdam
(cbk=center for the visual arts)

grtnx kroy
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> Re: <nettime> net?art survey
>      "clement Thomas" <ctgr@free.fr>
>      John Hopkins <jhopkins@uiah.fi>
>      david turgeon <david.t@steam.ca>
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> From: "clement Thomas" <ctgr@free.fr>
> Subject: Re: [thingist] net?art survey
> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:40:06 +0100
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> http://www.net-art.org
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> watch your back !
> http://www.NNet-art.org
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> ----- Original Message -----
> from: "Nino Rodriguez" <nino@pobox.com>
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> sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:10 PM
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> > So which is it?
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> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:45:47 -0700
> From: John Hopkins <jhopkins@uiah.fi>
> Subject: Re: <nettime> net?art survey
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> >So which is it?
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> It's
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> >      netart (Tate)
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> >  "an impromptu portrait of online spirituality"
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> >      net.art (Walker)
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> >  "Just click on a hyperlinked area to start"
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> >      net-art (Whitney)
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> >"a trippy online experience"
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> >      net art (Documenta)
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> >  "a blend of acid-trip visuals and tech-nerd inventiveness"
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> isn't it?
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> jh
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> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:33:55 -0500
> From: david turgeon <david.t@steam.ca>
> Subject: Re: <nettime> net?art survey
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> >So which is it?
> >     netart
> >     net.art
> >     net-art
> >     net art
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> basically the question is: what meaning does punctuation have?  a dot used
> to mean something purely utilitarian such as "this sentence stops" or
"this
> is an abbreviation".  OO programming, & internet addressing, use dots in
> new contexts (they denote a hierarchy), so it doesn't seem so unusual to
> call something "net.art" although using periods is a "wrong" way to form a
> neologism.  in this sense "net-art" is more correct but it is (to me) far
> more awkward (& perhaps inaccurate because of its obsolescence) than "net
> art" or "netart" which both seem more flexible.
>
> another interesting aspect of the use of the dot in "net.art" is that it
> somehow turns the internet naming hierarchy on its head.  a correct
> internet address should be "art.net", so "net.art" gives the feeling that
> it's the network that runs through art rather than the other way
> around.  on the other hand, if we follow OO conventions, we get the method
> "art" as an element of the object "net", which is more cynical than the
> previous interpretation.  on the other hand, it implies that "art" would
> exist in other contexts: kitchen.art, computer.art, land.art...  it posits
> "art" as a transient property of everything.
>
> perhaps the period is eventually going to replace the hyphen in our
> vocabulary.  stranger things have happened.  we can also think of a
> language where words can be lumped together with dots, as with OO
> programming, but i'll leave that to the scholars out there.
>
> with all that being said, personally i have a fondness for the variety of
> spellings, & i would find it a waste to make one of them "official."
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> have a nice day
> ~ david
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