bc on Sun, 24 Feb 2002 06:06:01 +0100 (CET) |
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[Nettime-bold] <nettime> Re: the development of a solar infrastructure |
[have not checked out the websites mentioned in your post on voting for solar (bonds), but i had a thought or two that was newly formed, given the change from the solar economy and the rhetoric roughly 30 years old now, with books and books about solar, much research, and still, as you mention, a mixed-energy-use issue. here is the conundrum i see in 2002... with global warming, or chaotic changes in the weather, say; the statistics which planners and architects use to calculate wind speeds (for the lower limit needed for profitable wind farms of which California and Minnesota both have good spaces for megawatt generation facilities), and also with sun-hours and partly-sunny and also cloudy-days, and their percentages to gauge at what level the solar needs to be implemented to make that magical pure-profit payback after so may years, viable in some places, where the weather patterns are studied, known, and are not rapidly shifting, then returns can be seen as they were 30 years ago, prior to the real-life silent springsummerwinterfall that is now going on and about, el nino redux, 250 million chaos- theory butterflies deaddropping in .mx foretells patterns that may not be traditionally predictable. meaning that with solar, say, if in the US, that as San Francisco goes guts out, berzerkely-like, and uses that ingenious solar roofing ontop of the industrial factory tar roofs, basically making a big energy shield/field, to harvest- and, if two things, either of which were to happen, what the effect would be on a massive rollout of solar, or preferably 'energy bonds', for the multipurpose agenda of energy as a future economic foundation, electrons equaling euros, as Enron was trading to do, making energy the 'e' in e-commerce, into coin. what if california/SF has a ton of rain again in a cycle of el Nino, and there are more and more and more (statistically) cloudy days than solar would generate on a prerated basis for building such new systems, as a result of chaotic weather systems and new patterns. that is question 1. question 2 is to what effect, benign as solar power en masse is not, would large amounts of solar panels in a land- scape have on the environment, just curious, as it has elements of the urban heat-island effect often found in cities with lots of tall buildinds and concrete and reflective materials. is it possible that solar in some cases might encourage weather instability by its deployment in large numbers, just as windmills can churn up birds in good numbers given a chance. so too, for another example, in the Midwest USA, it has been stated that the weather of the South, desert really, texas-style, could move northward and the south could become more tropical. given the givens about winters with no snow, rains with no end, barometeric pressure acrobatics enough to make the heartiest fall over with a side-ache from pains, might the major weather patterns be, sad to even imagine saying this, but, difficult to roll-out large- scale changed energy in chaotic systems, that is a large-scale investment that does _not pay off, as it would more likely do if the weather was more of more of a predictable nature? it seems that the weather, as it is a part of the sustainable energy equation, and if it is to be a grass roots effort, to buy into new energy, better systems, all around- that to make it pay, one has to know what even the experts do not today- and that is the patterns of weather to an extent that rain, water, wind, are predictable in certain climates. in contrast to this, it is probably possible to do small scale systems, with traditional readings of weather patterns. but longer term, it is hard to imagine that the way things are going, that 15 years from now the weather will be the same as today, when it is already chaotic and unpredictable by a day (prior to 3-5 day forecasts with some accuracy). also, i imagine large scale investments (.gov, .industry, .int) would be able to invest in large scale (not the small decentralized systems that would be able to make payback with some high level of shareholder/banking certainty. every watt in the system is in check, 24 hours a day, and it can be costly if one system is not working as planned, as the other less-optimal one may cost more to run as a primary system. which is not an ideal way of seeing this goal of investment, which is well worthwhile. but economically, selling solar or alternative energy seems much more of a difficulty than it did 20 years ago, for larger scales.] any comments on these energy-economics are appreciated. bc public energy network http://www.electronetwork.org/works/pen/ _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://amsterdam.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold