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From: John Armitage <john.armitage@unn.ac.uk>
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Subject: [Nettime-bold] Conflict Will Follow Taliban's Fall
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[Or, get ready for 'Vietnam: The Sequel'?. John.]
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Conflict Will Follow Taliban's Fall
1630 GMT, 011009
Summary
The United States has begun its military campaign in
Afghanistan without first forging a post-Taliban
regime. Although opposition forces will take
advantage of U.S. air strikes to attempt to drive the
Taliban from power, this will only usher in another
round of fighting among the victors. Because the
United States needs a friendly and stable regime in
Kabul to facilitate its primary mission of rooting out
Osama bin Laden and his Afghan Arabs, it will find
itself drawn into an attempt at nation-building in
Afghanistan. This is an intractable problem that could
draw the United States into a lengthy, costly and
ultimately doomed engagement in Afghanistan at the
expense of its primary mission.
Analysis
The United States on Oct. 7 began an active military
campaign against the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.
The move was premature -- driven by the approach of
Ramadan and winter -- and the United States had not
yet locked down political support or deployed the
forces necessary for sustained combat. But
Washington could not afford to wait until next spring
to begin operations.
U.S. Attacks Boost
Northern Alliance
Offensive
U.S. air strikes on the
Taliban greatly improve the
ability of the opposition
Northern Alliance to wage war
on the ground. The group
appears to be working closely
with Washington and will
focus its attacks on the
northern cities of Kabul and
Mazar-e-Sharif.
Analysis
In action coinciding with
U.S.-led military strikes in
Afghanistan, the opposition
Northern Alliance launched an
assault on Taliban forces
from the Bagram air base,
just north of Kabul, Oct. 7.
Northern Alliance forces fired
multiple-rocket launchers at
Taliban forces that control
the mountains surrounding
Bagram, and the Taliban
returned rocket fire,
according to the Associated
Press.
Click here to continue.
As the first round of cruise missiles slammed into targets in Kandahar, the
United
States and Pakistan had yet to settle on a successor regime to the Taliban.
The deep
fractures remaining among the Afghan factions opposing the Taliban, as well
as
competition between the countries that sponsor them, will return to haunt
the United
States as it attempts to achieve its military goals in Afghanistan, and
later as it
attempts to disengage from that conflict.
Reports from Afghanistan indicate that opposition forces already are
capitalizing on the
U.S. strikes. Within an hour after the first air strikes, Northern Alliance
troops based at
Bagram air base, north of Kabul, began Katyusha rocket attacks against
Taliban
positions in the surrounding mountains. Northern Alliance officials and
spokesmen in
Tajikistan told reporters that they had received forewarning of the U.S.
strikes and are
acting in close coordination with the United States. Rahimullah, an official
in the Afghan
Embassy in Dushanbe, Tajikistan, said the Northern Alliance may coordinate
with U.S.
air strikes to attempt to move into Kabul, the Associated Press reported.
Other Afghans are apparently rebelling against the Taliban as well. Several
local
commanders have reportedly defected from the Taliban. And according to the
Iranian
news agency IRNA, fighting has erupted between residents of the western
border town
of Ziranj and Taliban forces in the wake of the U.S. strikes.
Although there may be signs of promise for the U.S. effort to topple the
Taliban, there is
little to suggest that a viable plan is in place to replace the regime. The
United States
and Pakistan remain divided over the preferred composition of a post-Taliban
regime,
Russia and Iran have their own ideas and the various Afghan factions are not
necessarily inclined to cooperate with any externally imposed scheme.
The Taliban could be driven from power, but that will only mark the
beginning of U.S.
problems in Afghanistan. If the United States is to achieve its minimum
stated goal of
purging radical militants from Afghanistan, it will have to work with a
post-Taliban
regime. To do so, Washington will likely get dragged into trying to forge a
stable Afghan
government. Given the factors standing in the way of that mission, the
United States
may find itself bogged down in nation-building instead of militant-hunting.
Geography
Geography is perhaps the main factor standing in the way of a unified
Afghanistan. The
country is nearly bisected by the Hindu Kush mountain range, running
southwest to
northeast through its center. Lowlands surround the mountains in an arc.
Military
resistance has historically been strong in the mountains, making it
extremely difficult to
link the northern and southern halves of Afghanistan. Compounding the
problem,
Afghanistan's generally poor infrastructure diminishes to almost nothing in
the
mountains, which are largely inaccessible to motorized vehicles.
When the Taliban first entered Afghanistan, they pressed north from Kandahar
to Kabul,
where their advance was balked north of the capital. There, the eastern
plains taper to a
mountain-ringed cul de sac. The valuable Bagram air base is located on the
plain north
of Kabul, and north of that is the mouth of the Salang Tunnel -- the main
pass from
Kabul to northern Afghanistan.
This is a perennial killing zone, where Tajik forces emerge from the
Panjshir Valley to
the northeast, Hazaras occupy the mountains to the northwest and Pushtuns
press
north from Kabul. Unable to continue north from Kabul, the Taliban then
swept
southwest, skirting the mountains to take Herat and Mazar-e-Sharif before
arriving north
of Kabul.
Afghanistan is also landlocked, rendering any government and any opposition
dependent on one or more of the six neighboring states for trade and
transit.
Afghanistan's borders are generally porous, making smuggling easy for any
aspiring
opposition force.
Finally, Afghanistan is geographically significant in the strategic
calculations of its
neighboring states. It is a crossroads for legal and illegal trade from
Central Asia, South
Asia and the Middle East. It is also a buffer between these regions.
Afghanistan's
strategic value has enticed foreign powers to meddle in it for centuries.
Ethnic Competition
Ethnic divisions run a close second among factors keeping Afghanistan
divided.
Afghanistan is home to several major ethnic groups, the most prominent of
which are
the Pushtuns, who make up 38 percent of the population. The Pushtuns are
divided into
two main branches: the Durrani and the Ghilzai. Tajiks make up 25 percent of
the
Afghan population, while the Hazara comprise 19 percent. Uzbeks are the
final major
ethnic group in Afghanistan, at 6 percent, while the remaining 12 percent of
the
population are drawn from a host of tribal and ethnic groups -- including
the Aimaks,
Baloch and Turkmen.
Language and religion divide Afghans as well. Nearly all Afghans are Muslim,
though 84
percent are Sunni and 15 percent -- primarily the Hazara -- are Shiite.
Language reflects
the geographic and ethnic divisions of the country. Some 35 percent speak
Pushtu, 50
percent speak Dari -- an Afghan variant of Persian -- and 11 percent speak
Turkik
languages, primarily Uzbek or Turkmen. Thirty minor languages are spoken in
Afghanistan.
Though there is some distribution across Afghanistan, the major ethnic
groups are
concentrated in geographically distinct regions of the country. The Pushtuns
occupy the
southern plains, from around Herat in the west through Kandahar to Kabul.
Within that
territory, the Ghilzai Pushtuns are concentrated in the eastern provinces,
near Kabul
and along the Pakistani border.
The Tajiks are concentrated in the northeast, from Kabul to around Feizabad
and into
the Pamir Mountains, with smaller concentrations around Herat and scattered
in the
southwest. The Hazara live primarily in the Hindu Kush, centered around
Bamiyan. The
Uzbeks are concentrated in the north, around Mazar-e-Sharif, Baghlan and
Kunduz, and
the Turkmen occupy the strip along the border with Turkmenistan.
Afghanistan's politico-military factions also are formed around ethnic and
geographic
lines. Until his assassination in early September, Ahmad Shah Massoud led
the Tajik
armies from his base in the Panjshir Valley. Gen. Rashid Dostum leads a
predominantly
Uzbek army. The Hizb e Wahadat army represents the Hazaras.
The Taliban members are, for the most part, Durrani Pushtun, though they
have been
reaching out recently to the Ghilzai Pushtun in hopes of precluding the rise
of opposition
in areas under their control. Pakistani daily The News quoted Taliban
minister
Rahmatullah Wahidyar recently as saying the Taliban regime was ready to
share power
with tribal leaders in the eastern provinces of Khost, Paktia and Paktika.
Foreign Intervention
Competition for control of Afghanistan among neighboring and colonial powers
has been
heated for centuries. Arabs, Persians, Mongols and Greeks invaded
Afghanistan. The
Great Game pitted the United Kingdom against imperial Russia for control of
Afghanistan's trade and transit routes. The Soviet Union tried to secure
Afghanistan as a
base within reach of the Straits of Hormuz. And since shortly after the end
of the Cold
War, Pakistan has nurtured the Taliban as a proxy for control of access to
Central Asia.
This struggle for control is only heightened by the potential collapse of
the Taliban, and
this is reflected in deep disagreements between the United States, Pakistan,
Iran and
Russia over the eventual composition of a successor regime.
The United States initially sought to draw on the combat potential of the
Northern
Alliance to topple the Taliban, while building a post-Taliban government
around exiled
King Mohammad Zahir Shah. The idea was that Zahir Shah, a Durrani Pushtun,
could
bring together the Pushtuns of the south and the primarily Tajik, Hazara and
Uzbek
Northern Alliance.
The Northern Alliance was not amused with this arrangement and has refused
to cut a
power-sharing deal with the king. Not only was the burden of fighting put on
its forces,
with the benefits of rule falling to a Pushtun, but Zahir Shah is no
even-handed Pushtun
moderate. He has been a vocal proponent of a greater Pushtun nation, a
stance that
has alienated even the Pakistani government.
The Durrani Pushtuns ruled Afghanistan from the late 1700s to the early
1970s, and the
Taliban nearly succeeded in resuming that reign. The Northern Alliance
rejected the
Taliban's efforts to create a Pushtun-dominated state almost more than it
rejected the
Taliban's religious extremism. For them, Zahir Shah is little better.
Instead, the Northern Alliance is moving swiftly to take advantage of the
U.S. air strikes,
seize Kabul and present their government as a fait accompli. After all, the
Northern
Alliance includes the exiled government of President Burhanuddin Rabanni,
which the
United Nations continues to recognize as legitimate.
Pakistan, eager to maintain its grip on Afghanistan, initially proposed a
plot for a coup
by former foreign minister Mullah Mohammed Hasan Akhund against Taliban
leader
Mullah Mohammed Omar, according to a Tehran-datelined article in The
Guardian. The
idea was allegedly to put a moderate faction of the Taliban in control and
thus maintain
Pakistani influence over the Afghan government. However, Washington has made
it
clear that it will not tolerate any form of Taliban government. Pakistan's
leadership has
acknowledged this and is looking for a substitute.
Pakistan is deeply concerned about the potential for the Northern Alliance
to seize
power and has warned the opposition against such a move. But it is not
comfortable
with Zahir Shah in complete control of Afghanistan, either. Islamabad has
now proposed
supporting Syed Ahmed Gialani, former advisor to Zahir Shah, to control the
king and
the alliance around him. Gialani organized a meeting of Afghan exiles in
Peshawar to
build support for this plan.
Russia and Iran are not absent from the current struggle for control of
post-Taliban
Afghanistan, either. Russia wants to secure its control of Central Asia. To
do so, it
needs to keep fundamentalists out of the region. To this end, Moscow
supports the
Uzbek and Tajik Afghan armies. That is not to say Russia seeks a complete
victory, as
a small fundamentalist threat in Afghanistan justifies a Russian troop
presence in
Central Asia, and Russia prefers not to open Afghanistan as an export route
for Central
Asian resources.
Iran, like Russia, wants to protect its access to Central Asia by denying
Pakistan a
route through Afghanistan. Tehran supports the Shiite Hazara, and it appears
to have
already encouraged a split within the ranks of the Northern Alliance.
Northern Alliance
spokesmen in Tajikistan all claim to be coordinating actively with the
United States,
with an eye toward seizing Kabul. However, Touriali Ghiassi, the alliance
representative
in Mashhad, Iran, said U.S. attacks made the opposition forces' job easier,
but that the
Northern Alliance was waging its own campaign for northern and western
Afghanistan.
History
The past 12 years of blood-letting in Afghanistan make forging a coherent
and cohesive
government even more difficult. The Taliban initially invaded Afghanistan in
response to
brutal warlordism among the factions that now make up the Northern Alliance.
The
shifting loyalties of opposition factions, encouraged by bribes and the
tides of battle,
greatly facilitated the Taliban's rapid advances and bloody setbacks.
Most of the factions in the Northern Alliance have fought against one
another as often as
they have fought side by side. The combat has generally been merciless, and
it will be
nigh impossible to forge trust between these factions in a future
government. All factions
look first and foremost to self-preservation and will be unwilling to risk
disarming.
Treachery is prevalent even within the Northern Alliance armies. In one
prominent
example, Mazar-e-Sharif fell in 1997 when Dostum's right-hand man, Gen.
Malik
Pahlawan, defected with his forces to the Taliban. Six days later, and after
handing over
opposition commander Ismael Khan and 700 prisoners to the Taliban, Malik
turned on
his new allies. In two days of heavy fighting, Malik drove the Taliban out
of
Mazar-e-Sharif, killing 300 and capturing thousands. In the course of the
subsequent
offensive, Malik's troops and those of his Hazara allies massacred thousands
of Taliban
and buried them in mass graves.
Economy
The central government is, by the very nature of Afghanistan, weak. Besides
the
problems of geographic and ethnic fragmentation, the government in Kabul has
to face
the fact that there are no national-level structures to govern. Afghanistan
is basically
functional at village level. Its cities are rubble, it has no infrastructure
to speak of and the
economy is all but nonexistent. There is not much to the legitimate economy
beyond
subsistence farming and animal herding.
The three major sources of income and one potential source of income for any
future
Afghan regime are all major sources of corruption. These include the control
of aid
distribution, control of smuggling and control of narcotics cultivation,
processing and
export. Oil transit fees provide a potential, though unlikely, source of
income as well.
All these sources of income are windfalls, requiring no investment or fiscal
discipline.
They require only collection and distribution of the wealth, something
unlikely to be done
in an even-handed or forward-looking manner.
Balance of Power
One last feature precluding the formation of a stable regime in Afghanistan
is the
country's precarious balance of power. Afghanistan is divided between
several large
ethnic groups -- each firmly rooted in a particular section of Afghanistan,
and each with
a sponsor in a neighboring state -- all ready to vie for power. Due to the
country's
isolation, poverty and rugged terrain, combat in Afghanistan is so
low-grade, low-budget
and low-tech that even a small influx of resources can shift the balance of
power
between these groups. This means that at any one time, with minimal effort,
a group or
its sponsor could torpedo any coalition.
By the same token, since disruption is cheap and the candidates for
rebellion are
plentiful, maintaining a strong central government in Afghanistan is
staggeringly
expensive.
Conclusion: Quagmire
In the end, overthrowing the Taliban is no panacea, even given the limited
goal of
eliminating Osama bin Laden. Afghanistan will be quickly divided between
feuding
factions, making it difficult to stage search-and-destroy missions for bin
Laden and his
estimated 10,000 Afghan Arabs. In order to forge the minimum stability
necessary just
to carry out the primary mission, the United States is likely to get bogged
down in an
exercise in nation-building.
Long occupation or operation of Afghanistan as a protectorate by the United
Nations or
some third power would be extremely costly, given the primordial state of
the country's
economy, infrastructure and politics. Logistics alone would be nightmarish,
as
Afghanistan is landlocked and the transport facilities available to anyone
wishing to
supply the country are crude.
Given the competing agendas of the various factions in Afghanistan, as well
as of their
external sponsors, an attempt at nation-building in Afghanistan would be
more
analogous to Somalia than to Bosnia.
Even if overthrown, the Taliban are guaranteed to fight on, as will other
factions that are
not satisfied with their piece of the post-Taliban pie. The United States
could quickly find
itself targeted by feuding post-Taliban factions.
As the United States begins the military campaign to destroy bin Laden, his
supporters
and his hosts, it may be taking the first step toward a protracted, costly
and ultimately
doomed engagement in Afghanistan at the expense of its primary mission. It
is entering
a quagmire.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 00:35:52 -0700
From: Michael H Goldhaber <mgoldh@well.com>
To: "Paul D. Miller" <anansi1@earthlink.net>,
"nettime-l@bbs.thing.net" <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
Subject: [Nettime-bold] Re: <nettime> The Case for An Environmental
Friendly Airport....
Reply-To: nettime-bold@nettime.org
Why stop here if we are to rethink air travel from the point of view of (a)
making terrorism more difficult, and (b)
having better effects on the environment, as well as (c) making it easier
on the traveler. Rather than being accelerated
by their own power, perhaps aided by sloping runways, planes could be
boosted toward take off speed or braked for landing,
by external electromagnetic accelerators of various kinds.
and instead of hub airports, which require travelers to land, change planes
and again become airborne, which requires
double expenditure of the energy needed to rise to high altitudes, hubs
could be high latitude, permanently airborne,
dirgible-like yet fast moving (in the thin atmosphere) at which ordinary
planes would dock. these airhubs would move at
typical jet speeds in clockwise or counterclockwise motions over large land
masses or seas or oceans, with departing
flights heading toward destinations only as the moving hubs neared them.
Michael H. Goldhaber
mgoldh@well.com
http://www.well.com/user/mgoldh/
"Paul D. Miller" wrote:
> Sitting here in Sweden and seeing the huge amount of airplanes grounded
> and just plain old almost weeping at the basic sense of bad design that
> pervades the whole airport scene worldwide - not to mention the vast
> amounts of additonal pollution that bad design causes... I thought about
> it: how about the old hydrogen/helium scene of the Graf Zeppellin instead
> of the sleek bombs that most airplanes are today? I think lots of folks
> would be into going cross Atlantic in style, slowly sweeping over the
> ocean in a dirigible, one of those old school ships of the air... it'd be
> alot more pleasant... but during the interim, why not airports based on
> some kind of environmentally balanced concept like what's below.... it'd
> be one less reason to go to war for oil or for screwball terrorist
> ideas... just a thought,
>
> Paul
>
> http://www.earthisland.org/eijournal/new_articles.cfm?articleID=3D232&jo=20
> urnalID=3D48
>
> Autumn 2001
> Vol. 16, No. 3
>
> A 'Green Airport'? Meet the StarPort
> This airport is inclined to reduce pollution
>
> by Jim Starry
> Economic Development Through Environmental Design
>
> Thousands of new airports are set to be built worldwide within the next
> decade. An innovative design called the StarPort could produce fuel
> savings of 300 million gallons a year at each airport, would require only
> one-third of the land as a conventional facility and yield four times the
> revenue. Worldwatch Editor Ed Ayers calls the StarPort design a
> "breakthrough=8A a much more intelligent way of using techniques we humans
> have had all along."
>
> Airports designed to handle 350 flights per day 30 years ago are=20
> now scrambling to handle 700.
>
> A modern airport consumes nearly 500 million gallons of fuel a year -
> nearly half as much fuel as burned by a large city's automobiles. But
> because aircraft are not required to install catalytic converters,
> airports are responsible for more than half of the local urban air
> pollution.
>
> We have gridlock at most major airports, with more than 23 planes
> lined up on runways waiting their turn to take off while washing enormous
> amounts of partially burned fuel into the atmosphere.
>
> The fumes from idling diesel jet engines are about 14 times more
> polluting than gasoline exhaust. At many airports, levels of carbon
> monoxide, hydrocarbons and nitrogen oxides are at least 10 times higher
> than in surrounding cities. This isn't progress, it's suffocation.
>
> A Boeing 747 jet consumes more than 500 gallons of fuel during
> taxiing - enough fuel to operate a car for a year. One thousand
> taxi-to-takeoffs consume 12 million gallons - sufficient to power 200,000
> cars for a day. Only four percent of the fuel burned goes into actually
> moving the aircraft: The rest is thrown to the wind as exhaust and noise.
>
> The sprawling 52-square-mile Denver International Airport was built
> to handle 2,000 flights daily - a landing or takeoff every 20 seconds.
> Denver International offers 100 gates and five 12,000-foot (2.3 mile-long)
> runways. The StarPort could save $200 million in fuel costs for an airport
> with the air traffic of Denver International while cutting taxiing
> distances by 48 percent.
>
> Gravity not Kerosene
>
> The solution? The StarPort incorporates inclined runways that use gravity
> to help planes slow down on landing and accelerate on takeoff. Inclined
> runways would be shorter, requiring a smaller footprint.
>
> Planes taking off down an inclined runway would reach takeoff speed
> sooner, saving 1,000 gallons of jet fuel per flight. The runways would be
> slightly concave to help planes stay centered. They would be wider at
> touchdown, narrowing as they approach parking gates atop the terminal
> dome.
>
> FAA officials have said that it is against regulations to permit
> inclined runways but a number of existing US airports already feature
> sloped runways - Colorado's Telluride Airport is built on a 4 percent
> incline.
>
> In fact, FAA regulations do permit inclines up to 1.5 percent. It
> would be possible to design a runway that starts at a 1 percent incline
> and slowly rises to a 4 percent grade.
>
> Put on the Brakes
>
> Regenerative braking systems installed on electric cars not only slow down
> speeding cars, they simultaneously transform the braking force into
> electrical energy that is stored in batteries for later use. If
> lightweight vertical armature electric motors were installed in aircraft
> wheels, the tires could be pre-rotated before touchdown (eliminating
> damaging structural shock and tread burn). From the moment the plane
> touches down, the tires could begin generating electric power. Combined
> with an inclined runway, they would eliminate the need for noisy 30-second
> thrust-reversal engine burns that can easily burn 300 to 500 gallons of
> fuel for each landing.
>
> The Subsurface Terminal
>
> An incline of 2 percent would eventually lift a 6,000-foot-long runway 120
> feet above the surrounding landscape. The central terminal, where planes
> park and wait to take on passengers, could tower as high as a 10-story
> building.
>
> Most airport customers now endure a 1.5-mile trek from their cars to
> departure gates. At many airports, this means that each day 200 passengers
> on 700 flights wind up walking 70,000 miles to build up their Frequent
> Flyer accounts.
>
> StarPort passengers would board from below, moving almost directly to
> their aircraft from a subsurface terminal in less than six minutes. For an
> airport the size of Denver, this design would reduce the average
> travelers' curb-to-counter commute by 80 percent. In addition to terminal
> space, the sub-terminal space would include several floors of parking,
> restaurants, shopping, hotels, convention and meeting space.
>
> Instead of circling a traditional airport and waiting in long
> lines to enter a single entrance, the StarPort would have trafficentering
>and leaving the airport from four directions.
>
> Runways would be laid out side by side with a 600-foot separation,
> allowing simulatneous takeoffs and landings. Taxiing distances would be
> reduced 80 percent, with additional fuel savings. Lights beaming upward
> from the terminal could serve as runway lights. In winter, the terminal's
> heat would serve to melt the ice and snow offthe runways.
>
> Major US cities are scrambling to find airport sites that meet a
> simple, but impossible, description: "50 square miles of unpopulated land
> - close to downtown." A StarPort could be built on only 15 to 25 square
> miles. Instead of turning valuable open space into new mega-airports,
> StarPorts could be built at hundreds of smaller existing airfields that
> were abandoned with the move toward larger aircraft and longer runways.
>
> If the 2,000 new airports were StarPorts, the fuel savings would
> amount to two billion gallons a day - more than 1,000 times the oil the
> Bush administration hopes to extract from the Arctic National Wildlife
> Refuge.
>
> Jim Starry is the director of Economic Development Through Environmental
> Design, Inc [PO Box 1931, Boulder, CO 80306]. He has worked as an engineer
> at Martin Marietta and the National Center for Atmospheric Research.
> Articles on the StarPort design have appeared in Popular Mechanics,
> Popular Science, The Wall Street Journal and will be cited in a
> forthcoming Worldwatch Report.
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 04:56:26 -0400
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From: Beatrice Beaubien <i2eye@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Nettime-bold] Conflict Will Follow Taliban's Fall
Reply-To: nettime-bold@nettime.org
Dear John,
Any place where children throw themselves under buses as a form of
supporting the family indicates a lack of options. (the child's guardian
would then bribe the driver); for millennia the path through the Hindu Kush
has been a journey into a tough survivalist ethos.
I found the StratFor report fascinating, particularly as it previously
wasn't clear to me why blocking access through Afghanistan was
strategically important to so many factions outside the country.
Thanks.
Biti
>[Or, get ready for 'Vietnam: The Sequel'?. John.]
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>http://www.stratfor.com/home/0110091630.htm
>
>Conflict Will Follow Taliban's Fall
>1630 GMT, 011009
>
>Summary
>
>The United States has begun its military campaign in
>Afghanistan without first forging a post-Taliban
>regime. Although opposition forces will take
>advantage of U.S. air strikes to attempt to drive the
>Taliban from power, this will only usher in another
>round of fighting among the victors. Because the
>United States needs a friendly and stable regime in
>Kabul to facilitate its primary mission of rooting out
>Osama bin Laden and his Afghan Arabs, it will find
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eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.reportersonline.org/owa-k/press.news_es.print=
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e informes que permiten un mayor conocimiento de la compleja y dif=EDcil
historia de esta naci=F3n musulmana. <br>
<br>
</font><font face=3D"verdana" size=3D1><a=
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debe responder tambi=E9n por cr=EDmenes cometidos en Croacia. Lo confirm=F3 =
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juez Almiro Rodr=EDguez.<br>
- Tony Blair en Om=E1n encuentra hoy al Sult=E1n Qabus Bin Said y luego
proseguir=E1 su gira por otras naciones de Oriente Medio pero que no han
sido comunicadas a=FAn.<br>
- Gerry Adams y Martin McGuinness del Sinn Fein se reunieron con Tony
Blair para expresar sus preocupaciones por las posiciones intransigentes
del unionista David Trimble.<br>
<br>
</font><font face=3D"verdana" size=3D1><a=
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eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.reportersonline.org/owa-k/press.news_es.print=
?H=3DEuropa&D=3D10-OCT-2001&L=3Des<br>
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</font><font face=3D"verdana">- El MERCOSUR reitera su solidaridad y apoyo
a los EE.UU. mientras el Presidente de Brasil recuerda que en los
atentados terroristas murieron muchos latinoamericanos.<br>
- El Presidente de Cuba pide nuevamente el t=E9rmino de la guerra en
Afganist=E1n y se refiere a los peligros nucleares de la India Y
Pakist=E1n.<br>
- La Corte Suprema de Per=FA entreg=F3 oficialmente a la Interpol una orden
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- La justicia suiza confirma que una cuenta bancaria a nombre de su ex
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Menem.<br>
<br>
</font><font face=3D"verdana" size=3D1><a=
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<br>
</font><font face=3D"verdana" size=3D1><a=
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eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.reportersonline.org/owa-k/press.news_es.print=
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personas.<br>
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Presidente George Bush.<br>
- El barril de petr=F3leo sigue por debajo de los 22 d=F3lares e, incluso, e=
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lunes, despu=E9s de los ataques contra Afganist=E1n, lleg=F3 a ser de 19,75
d=F3lares.<br>
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con el Premio Nobel de F=EDsica por la Real Academia de Ciencias de Suecia.
El Nobel de Medicina entregado el lunes.<br>
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</font><font face=3D"verdana" size=3D1><a=
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amp;D=3D10-OCT-2001&L=3Des"=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.reportersonline.org/owa-k/press.news_es.print=
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sucursal en Boston, fabricar=E1 la nueva vacuna contra viruela ordenada por
el Gobierno de EE.UU. para el 2002. Alarma bio-terrorismo.<br>
- Crecen los temores por eventuales infecciones bacteriol=F3gicas en
Estados Unidos mientras se rumorea de un tercer caso de carbunco en
Florida.<br>
- El Presidente Bush considera un =AB=E9xito=BB los bombardeos en Afganist=
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From: John Armitage <john.armitage@unn.ac.uk>
To: nettime-l <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:58:36 +0100
Subject: [Nettime-bold] American Action Is Held Likely in Asia
Reply-To: nettime-bold@nettime.org
[ Next stop: Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia -- are the Globocops on
aworld tour? John.]
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The New York Times
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American Action Is Held Likely in Asia
By TIM WEINER
WASHINGTON, Oct. 9 - Terrorists tied to Osama bin Laden's network and
based in the Philippines,
Indonesia and Malaysia are among the likely targets of future covert
and overt American actions, United States
officials said today.
The officials gave no timetable; they said the campaign against the groups
linked to Mr. bin Laden and his group, Al
Qaeda, is global and may last for years. But they said that the East Asian
groups have expanded their operations in
recent years, exchanging money, personnel, materiel and experience with the
bin Laden organization and its allies, and
that they pose a clear and present danger to American institutions overseas.
"There has been a concerted effort by bin Laden and his people to expand
their activities in East Asia, not only in the
Philippines but in Malaysia and Indonesia," a United States official said.
"The Philippines have become a major
operational hub, and it's a serious concern. People linked to bin Laden are
not only in Manila but elsewhere in the
Philippines."
The groups have thrived in the political and economic instability in the
Philippines, a predominantly Roman Catholic
country, and in Indonesia, which is predominantly Muslim; street protests
against the airstrikes on Afghanistan took
place today outside the American embassies in both countries. In recent
years, the fundamentalist groups have gained
adherents in the name of a holy war against American institutions and
influence, officials said.
The United States ambassador to the United Nations, John D. Negroponte, told
the Security Council on Monday that
the United States, acting in self-defense after the Sept. 11 attacks, may
take "further actions with respect to other
organizations and other states."
Mr. Negroponte, an American ambassador to the Philippines in the 1990's,
cited no groups or states by name. But
administration officials have said repeatedly that Mr. Bin Laden has
adherents and allies all over the world, and that the
war against them will range far beyond Afghanistan. East Asia, and
particularly the Philippines, officials said, is an area
where terrorists who have struck the United States before are known to have
planned their attacks.
Militant Islamic groups in East Asia - chief among them, the Abu Sayyaf
group, based in the Philippines - are high on
the list of American counter-terrorism targets to come, officials said
today.
Hundreds of Abu Sayyaf fighters are battling the Philippine army on Basilan,
an island in the south. The group has taken
two American hostages: Martin and Gracia Burnham, missionaries from Wichita,
Kan.
The Burnhams were celebrating their 18th wedding anniversary in May, when
they and a third American, Guillermo
Sobero of Corona, Calif., were kidnapped from a resort on Palawan, a large
western island of the Philippine
archipelago. Mr. Sobero may be dead, officials said.
The Abu Sayyaf group, which is on the official United States list of
terrorist organizations, has obtained millions of
dollars in ransom from kidnapping tourists, missionaries and resort workers.
Libyan representatives played a role in the
release of some hostages for ransom, State Department officials said.
The group has used ransom money to buy weapons and speedboats, to pay
recruits and to bribe Philippine soldiers,
American officials suspect.
Members of Abu Sayyaf, which says it is fighting for a separate Islamic
nation, have links to the bin Laden organization,
officials said.
The leader of the group is known as Abdujarak Abubakar Janjalani. He is a
Filipino Muslim who has said he fought
alongside the Afghan rebels battling the Soviet invaders of Afghanistan
during the 1980's.
Al Qaeda's connections in the Philippines include Islamic schools and
charities through which millions of dollars have
flowed to support the group and its allies across South and East Asia,
officials said.
They include the International Islamic Relief Organization office and Al
Makdum university in Zamboanga, a city on the
island of Mindanao, just north of Basilan island. Mr. bin Laden's
brother-in-law, Mohammed Jalal Khalifa, was an
administrator at both institutions. Neither is operating any longer, and Mr.
Khalifa was arrested by the Saudi government
after the Sept. 11 attacks.
Also since the attacks, Philippine intelligence officers have arrested two
suspected Abu Sayyaf commanders and several
men they described as foreigners carrying bombs. Malaysia has charged the
son of a leading opposition politician with
plotting to overthrow the government. Indonesia has imprisoned two
Malaysians in connection with a series of
bombings.
In Indonesia, armed Islamic fundamentalist groups have received money, men
and arms from the bin Laden group and
its allies, officials said. One group, Laskar Jihad, they said, has been
reinforced by Taliban guerrillas. Another, the
Islamic Defenders Front, is threatening violence against American officials
and organizations.
Some members of Al Qaeda have transited through the international airport at
Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia, officials said.
One of the Sept. 11 hijackers, Khalid Al-Midhar, was videotaped at a
terrorist meeting in Kuala Lumpur in January
2000.
President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo of the Philippines said recently that
"traces of relationship" exist between the Abu
Sayyaf guerrillas and the Sept. 11 attack plotters. She has offered the
United States airspace and the use of two large
former United States military installations, the Clark Air Base, and the
Subic Bay naval base, for transit and staging
operations.
The offer was secured in a meeting at Subic Bay two weeks ago between Adm.
Thomas Fargo, commander of the
Pacific Fleet, and Rolio Golez, the Philippine national security adviser,
both 1970 graduates of the United States Naval
Academy.
President Bush is scheduled to discuss the counter-terrorism campaign with
the presidents of the Philippines and
Indonesia and the prime minister of Malaysia in Shanghai on Oct. 19 at the
Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation meeting.
Terrorists aiming to attack the United States have been based in the
Philippines for years.
Ramzi Yousef, a convicted ringleader in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing,
plotted in Manila to blow up 11 jumbo
jets headed for the United States. He was arrested in Pakistan at a rooming
house financed by Mr. bin Laden. His
roommate in Manila, Abdul Hakim Murad, had a commercial pilot license and
plotted to crash a jet into the Central
Intelligence Agency headquarters in Virginia.
And Mohammed Saddiq Odeh, convicted in the 1998 bombing of the United States
Embassy in Nairobi, was a student
in the Philippines when he first came to the bin Laden organization.
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Chim=E8res automne 2001 n=B0 44
=C9ditorial
- Val=E9rie Marange : Une guerre depuis si longtemps en marche
Politique
- Starhawk : Apr=E8s G=EAnes, poser les bonnes questions
- Darkveggy : Black-bloc(s), au singulier ou au pluriel?
- Emmanuel Videcoq : Subjectivit=E9s corsiques : Nature omnipr=E9sente, forces
de r=E9sistance et de refus
Alg=E9rie
- J.-F. Lyotard : La guerre des Alg=E9riens
- anonyme : =AB J'avais dix-sept ans la nuit du 17 octobre 1961 =BB
- anonyme : Les Alg=E9riens au Parc des Expositions
- Nabile Far=E8s : Une histoire d'Alg=E9rie
Concept
- Anne Querrien : Des concepts de quels genres ?
- Georges Bloess : Nietzsche et la question de l'amiti=E9
- Tatiana Roque : Milieu
Clinique
- Miguel Matrajt : Simulation, mensonge et conviction
Repenser deux psychopathologies
Terrain
- C=E9cile Herrou : Nouvelles r=E9centes de Gulliver
=C9sth=E9tique
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<FONT SIZE=3D"4"><B>=C9ditorial</B></FONT> <BR>
- Val=E9rie Marange : Une guerre depuis si longtemps en marche <BR>
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MAAP 01 EXCESS Festival on Friday 12 October, 2001 6.30pm (EST) at the =
Brisbane Powerhouse , Australia. If you can't make it to Brisbane, join =
us online as we netcast the night from 6.30pm Eastern Standard Time.=20
The exhibition program focuses on new media work from Australia and the =
Asia Pacific regions. Please visit our site for detailed programming. =
www.maap.org.au=20
Opening night will provide a mix of launches, performances and previews =
of key projects in the festival. Toy Satellite, 2Loops and Eyedrink =
Collective perform "undercurrents" that was part of the opening of the =
Taipai International Arts Festival incorporating electronic sound and =
vision mixing. Taiwanese collaborators Jimi Chen and DJ Ty will inject =
their own personal melodic harmonies of Goa and Psy-Trance with =
change-inspired visuals later in the running of events as part MAAP =
opening.=20
MAAP in partnership with the Insitute of Modern Art present Gong Xin =
Wang, and his DV installation "My Sun" (2001), which will open at the =
Judith Wright Centre for Contemporary Arts, 420 Brunswick St, Fortitude =
Valley from Friday 12 October - 10am. The exhibition is also showing at =
Artspace Sydney untill 28 October.
"AO:Audio Only" Sound Gallery - where audio art will be played in a =
dedicated darkened room with masks provided to experience total visual =
deprivation and surround sound. A selection of Australia/Asia works =
curated y Andrew Kettle and work from other audio festvials - d'art =
audio program; SOUND SPACES curated by Hannah Clemen; Chinese program =
SOUND2 curated by Li Zhenhua and Qui Zhijie.
Free screenings will feature 9am-6pm Saturday and 11.00 - 5.30pm Sunday =
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from China, Hong Kong, Korea, Phillipines, Malaysia, Singapore and =
Australia.
The Missile Web Launch is well under way releasing a new site daily in =
the run up to the festival.=20
MAAP01 will hold its annual forum, online webcasting panels connecting =
to Art Center Nabi,Seoul; The Loft New Media Space, Beijing;The Digital =
Media Festival, Manilla Experimenta Media Arts Melbourne . Log on 2:00pm =
- 5pm EST Sunday 14 October to see the netcast www.maap.org.au to share =
ideas and work between artists and new media watchers. MAAP is =
attempting to netcast thoughout the festival, so log in for a chance to =
enter the ambience here in Brisbane.
Macromedia Monday 15th October - "Advanced Techniques" hosted by =
Macromedia in the Powerhouse's Courier Mail Rooftop Terrace from =
10am-4pm. This open to artists by registration only info@maap.org.au=20
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THE COMPETITION=20
If you are collecting MAAP MAIL codes to check the 'COMPETITION' section =
of the Festival website www.maap.org.au to collect this weeks final =
codes! It is buried in the maap site - once you find the codes - you can =
email back for your chance to win Dreamweaver4 and Flash5. Macromedia =
has sponsored this hunt.
=20
www.maap.org.au
MAAP is a not for profit organisation that promotes excellence in art =
and technology in Australia/Asia Pacific regions.=20
Major Sponsors: Platinum - Macromedia, Gold - CITEC, Silver - Infinite =
Systems
Government Sponsors: Brisbane City Council, Australia Council, Arts =
Queensland, Brisbane Powerhouse Centre for the Live Arts, Australian =
Film Commission, Cinemedia,=20
supported by: QUT-Communication Design, The Institute of Modern Art - =
Brisbane;Artspace - Sydney, Art Asia Pacific Magazine, IdN Magazine, =
Malaysian Video Awards Festival - Kualar Lumper, Artworkers Alliance - =
Brisbane, Videotage - Hong Kong, Art Center Nabi - Seoul, The Loft New =
Media Art Space - Beijing, Digital Media Festival - Manilla, Experimenta =
- Melbourne, dLux - Sydney , Inst. of Modern Art - Brisbane, Art Space - =
Sydney, Metro Arts - Brisbane, Griffith University,- Brisbane, =
fineArtforum - ezine.
If you wish to be removed from further info from maap, please send =
return email with "delete me" in the subject bar, or simply BLOCK SENDER =
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lang=3DEN-US></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4><SPAN lang=3DEN-US><FONT size=3D3>The exhibition =
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on new media work from Australia and the Asia Pacific regions. Please =
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href=3D"http://www.maap.org.au">www.maap.org.au</A> </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20
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festival. Toy Satellite, 2Loops and Eyedrink Collective =
perform=20
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Arts=20
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">anese =
collaborators Jimi=20
Chen and DJ Ty will inject their own personal melodic harmonies of Goa =
and=20
Psy-Trance with change-inspired visuals later in the running of events =
as part=20
MAAP opening. </SPAN></P>
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his DV=20
installation "My Sun" (2001), which will open at the Judith Wright =
Centre for=20
Contemporary Arts, 420 Brunswick St, Fortitude Valley from Friday =
12=20
October - 10am. The exhibition is also showing at Artspace Sydney =
untill 28=20
October.</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">"AO:Audio Only" =
Sound=20
Gallery - where audio art will be played in a dedicated darkened =
room with=20
masks provided to experience total visual deprivation and surround =
sound. A=20
selection of Australia/Asia works curated y Andrew Kettle and work from =
other=20
audio festvials - d'art audio program; SOUND SPACES curated by Hannah =
Clemen;=20
Chinese program SOUND2 curated by Li Zhenhua and Qui =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Free screenings =
will feature=20
9am-6pm Saturday and 11.00 - 5.30pm Sunday -<BR>from China, Hong Kong, =
Korea,=20
Phillipines, Malaysia, Singapore and Australia.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">The Missile Web =
Launch is=20
well under way releasing a new site daily in the run up to the festival. =
</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">MAAP01 will hold =
its annual=20
forum, online webcasting panels connecting to Art Center Nabi,Seoul; The =
Loft=20
New Media Space, Beijing;The Digital Media Festival, Manilla Experimenta =
Media=20
Arts Melbourne . Log on 2:00pm - 5pm EST Sunday 14 October to =
see the=20
netcast <A href=3D"http://www.maap.org.au">www.maap.org.au</A> to =
share ideas=20
and work between artists and new media watchers. MAAP is attempting to =
netcast=20
thoughout the festival, so log in for a chance to enter the ambience =
here in=20
Brisbane.</SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Macromedia Monday =
15th=20
October - “Advanced Techniques” hosted by =
Macromedia in the=20
Powerhouse’s Courier Mail Rooftop Terrace from 10am-4pm. This open =
to artists by=20
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<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D3>THE COMPETITION </FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D3>If you are collecting MAAP MAIL codes =
to check the=20
'COMPETITION' section of the Festival website <A=20
href=3D"http://www.maap.org.au">www.maap.org.au</A> to collect this =
weeks final=20
codes! It is buried in the maap site - once you find the codes - you can =
email=20
back for your chance to win Dreamweaver4 and Flash5. Macromedia has =
sponsored=20
this hunt.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D3><A=20
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<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3>MAAP is a not for profit =
organisation=20
that promotes excellence in art and technology in Australia/Asia Pacific =
regions. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D3>Major Sponsors: =
Platinum -=20
Macromedia, Gold - CITEC, Silver - Infinite Systems<BR>Government =
Sponsors:=20
Brisbane City Council, Australia Council, Arts Queensland, Brisbane =
Powerhouse=20
Centre for the Live Arts, Australian Film Commission, Cinemedia, =
<BR>supported=20
by: QUT-Communication Design, The Institute of Modern Art - =
Brisbane;Artspace -=20
Sydney, Art Asia Pacific Magazine, IdN Magazine, Malaysian Video Awards =
Festival=20
- Kualar Lumper, Artworkers Alliance - Brisbane, Videotage - Hong Kong, =
Art=20
Center Nabi - Seoul, The Loft New Media Art Space - Beijing, Digital =
Media=20
Festival - Manilla, Experimenta - Melbourne, dLux - Sydney , Inst. of =
Modern Art=20
- Brisbane, Art Space - Sydney, Metro Arts - Brisbane, Griffith =
University,-=20
Brisbane, fineArtforum - ezine.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:29:58 -0400
From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net
Subject: [Nettime-bold] Muppets at war: Sesame Street's Bert at pro-bin
Laden rally
Reply-To: nettime-bold@nettime.org
Reuters confirms Bert photo:
http://www.politechbot.com/p-02636.html
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From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
Subject: FC: Muppets at war: Sesame Street's Bert in pro-Bin Laden poster
To: politech@politechbot.com
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:23:57 -0400
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The Bangladeshi poster:
http://www.tctubantia.nl/CDA/regioportal/1%2c2078%2c1654__772741_%2c00.html
http://harvard.pawlo.com/bangladesh.jpg
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20011009/wl/imdf09102001085522a.html
The Bert-Osama clip art's origins:
http://www.angelfire.com/de/cheatsbert/p3laden.html
http://www.fractalcow.com/bert/bert.htm
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http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47450,00.html
Osama Has a New Friend
By Declan McCullagh (declan@wired.com)
7:18 a.m. Oct. 10, 2001 PDT
WASHINGTON -- Evil Bert, meet Evil Osama.
Right now, the two appear to be inseparable -- at least on ubiquitous
posters carried by pro-Taliban protesters.
Devotees of freak-humor websites will recall the infamous "Bert is
Evil" page, a shrine to the gourd-like Sesame Street character, which
offers compelling photographic evidence of the muppet consorting with
Hitler, the KKK and, of course, Jerry Springer.
Now, in a move that defies all rules of logic, a doctored photo
showing Bert with the world's most-wanted terrorist, Osama bin Laden,
seems to have made its way into an anti-American Islamic protest in
Bangladesh.
Reuters photographs of a rally this week organized by
Jaamiat-e-Talabaye Arabia, a radical Islamic organization, show that
protesters created a pro-bin Laden sign out of a collage of photos
they apparently lifted from Internet sites.
But -- is it fate or coincidence? -- the sign featured a Bert muppet
sitting on the left side of the man believed to be responsible for the
bloodiest terrorist attack in U.S. history.
[...]
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:07:29 -0400
From: Axel Roselius <axelerator@mac.com>
To: <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
Subject: [Nettime-bold] telematic art show opening in atlanta
Reply-To: nettime-bold@nettime.org
I am still producing Telematic Connections: The Virtual Embrace
and the next stop is Atlanta. So if you're in town please come around!
xl
Atlanta College of Art Gallery presents....
Telematic Connections: The Virtual Embrace
October 13- November 25, 2001
Opening Reception
Saturday, October 13, 5:30-7:30 pm
Enter the Embrace
Saturday, October 13, 7:00 pm
Woodruff Arts Center Circle Room
Lecture/discussion led by exhibition curator, Steve Dietz
Visit the online exhibition, produced by ICI and co-presented by Walker Art
Center
http://telematic.walkerart.org/ici/
ACA Gallery exhibitions and programs are free and open to the public.
Visit www.aca.edu or call 404/733-5050 for more information.
The Atlanta College of Art Gallery presentation of
Telematic Connections: The Virtual Embrace
is made possible by
Turner Broadcasting System, Inc., an AOL Time Warner Company.
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Message: 13
From: integer@www.god-emil.dk
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:37:27 +0200 (CEST)
To: lev@shoko.calarts.edu
Subject: [Nettime-bold] (no subject)
Reply-To: nettime-bold@nettime.org
>i think price was a factor here.
one must travel the long paths to reach
dark poets and strings of pearls.
whoever walks now anywhere
walks towards me.
i am growing more alone.
i am there with you.
i am speaking yes.
i am gesture's beginning + end.
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:30:53 -0400
To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net
From: Jud Wolfskill <wolfskil@MIT.EDU>
Subject: [Nettime-bold] book announcement--Laurel
Reply-To: nettime-bold@nettime.org
I thought readers of the NETTIME List might be interested in this
book. For more information please visit http://mitpress.mit.edu/0262122448
Best,
Jud
Utopian Entrepreneur
Brenda Laurel
designed by Denise Gonzales Crisp
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:44:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: jonathan jay Seattle <jonathan@speakeasy.org>
To: Darek <darekmazzone@home.com>
Subject: [Nettime-bold] Where did the constitution go?
Reply-To: nettime-bold@nettime.org
Hey Darek,
you are right, WE (you, me in fact, nearly everyone you and i have ever known)
are NOT at war with muslims or people in the middle east. They are a wonderful
people with a rich cultural tradition, stretching back thousands of years,
neither you, nor i, nor anyone any one of us may know, has any conflict
with any
of them. But someone MOST CERTAINLY DOES.
Make NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, the illegle election-stealing military coup-leaders,
and by this i mean the PROFOUNDLY anti-democratic IMPERIAL BUSH II REGIME, most
emphatically IS BLOWING THEM UP, and destroying our freedoms in the process.
Keep playing good music, but don't kid yourself about what is going on:
Wake up and smell the emergent global police state -- terror is as terror does.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ what is terrorism? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
There most definately ARE real terrorists in this world -- people who use death
and destruction on a massive scale, and the threats of death and destruction
world-wide to strike terror into the hearts of others, in an effort to enforce
compliance with their aspirations of capital-driven global military EMPIRE,
wher
quaint notions of democracy are mechanisms of mass-managment, _not_ a means of
participation in power by the populous. Elections? Who needs elections!
But just WHO are these enemies of democracy, these dirty terrorists responsible
for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people all over the world in the
last
ten years alone?
People like OSAMA BINJAMESABAKERTHE3RD OSAMA BIN DICKCHENEY, OSAMA BIN
GEORGEWBUSH, OSAMA BIN COLINPOWELL, OSAMA BIN JOHNASHCROFT, OSAMA BIN TOMRIDGE,
OSAMA BIN RUMSVELD, OSAMA BIN TONYBLAIR, OSAMA BIN ARIELSHARON, OSAMA BIN
VLADAMIRPUTIN and all that work in conjuction with their paradigms of
terror and
geo-strategic resource control.
They (and others of their ilk) most absolutely ARE engaged in a massive
global-scale terror campagn. Who are 'THEY' tryng to terrorize?
EVERYONE THAY CAN.
EXTERNALLY, they desire to smash ANY AND ALL forces in stand against them and
their consolidation of global power. This is where poor little OSAMA BIN LADEN
comes under attack. Orignially a CIA creation, on their payroll for years when
he fought against the USSR, but now an 'independent operator'. Now,
post-coldwar, he no longer takes orders from his old CIA masters. Bin
Laden now
dares make the *outrageous* demand that the people of Palestine should have the
same kind of security that millions of Americans were accustombed to
enjoying in
the 20th century, and that the occuping troops of western capital leave Saudi
Arabia. OUTRAGEOUS! Who does he think he is ???
How do you think corn farmers in the bible-belt would feel with massive Saudi
Military bases installed outside of DC and next to mount rushmore? And why do
the Palestinians deserve to feel secure in their homes and enjoy the rights to
democratically elect their leaders, or live under a rule of law? OUTRAGEOUS!!
INTERNALLY, the enemy is ME, and YOU and ANYONE who does not swallow whole the
massive lies they spout daily in their drive to power. ALL who have the
audacity to oppose them in their accelerating effort to dismantle our domestic
civil society, and destroy the civilian security that millions of Americans
enjoyed in the previous millenium, back when we still had national elections,
and there was such a thing as the constitution.
keep playing good music, but don't kid yourself about what is going on:
wake up and smell the emergent global police state -- terror is as terror does.
gimme a call, we'll go have coffee.
--
jonathan jay Seattle
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Message: 17
From: "Ivo Skoric" <ivo@reporters.net>
To: edagro@bellatlantic.net
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:08:46 -0400
Cc: jo@xs4all.nl, Sara.Valentine@lehman.com,
Sasa Paparella <paparella@nacional.hr>, zbardic@r101.com.hr
Subject: [Nettime-bold] Media Watch
Reply-To: nettime-bold@nettime.org
Prompted by the US mainstream electronic media failure to report the anti-
war protest from Times Square, New York, on October 7, I decided to
start a Media-Watch project, kind of like what we have seen done by the
dozen of Western NGO-s with Croatian, Bosnian and Serbian media
during the wars of Yugoslav succession. There it was widely perceived
that the state-owned mainstream electronic media were used by
nationalist governments to manufacture the consent for war. In the
words of Noam Chomsky, here in the U.S. the media are used in pretty
much the same way right now.
On Monday, the second day of the air-strikes against Taliban positions
in Afghanistan, I watched news from three major European sources to
compare them to the major American TV networks. Here are my findings:
Deutsche Welle gave a lot of space to considerations about fate of the
aid workers still held prisoners by Taliban in Afghanistan. They went all
but unmentioned on American TV on Monday (they were mentioned on
Tuesday). Deutsche Welle also noted that among the first casualties of
the bombing were aid agencies vital for survival of Afghanistan civilians:
UNICEF and UNHCR buildings were burned in Queta by protesters
following the first day of bombing.
French TV went further, interviewing the doctor working with Medecins
Sans Frontieres, who expressed doubts about the real value of air drops,
calling them merely a useful propaganda tool. The anchor then went on
to mock American networks for showing endless footage of nightly
skies, supposedly, over Kabul, where not much could be seen, since
they look, indeed, quite the same like nightly skies over Bagdad or over
Belgrade.
BBC, besides showing the disturbing footage from protests in Queta a
day ahead from its American colleagues, has also shown the (even more
disturbing) footage of burning Gaza strip, which American colleagues yet
have to gain the courage to show. We haven$BCU(B yet seen what exactly did
American/British attacks destroyed in Afghanistan - the satellite photos
did show the targets, but they didn$BCU(B look to an average viewer as
damaged as the UNICEF building in Queta did. The BBC reporting from
Pakistan, Egypt and Gaza, while not explicitly saying so, gave an
intelligent viewer the opportunity to imply that the main casualty of the
American/British bombing so far was the stability in the Arab world.
It is also worth to note that buildings in Gaza were not set aflame by
Israelis. They were set aflame by Palestinian protesters and by the PLO
police that cracked down on them. In apparent violation of their own
religious law that prohibits worshiping images, young Arab protesters in
all places carried pictures of Osama Bin Laden, their new messiah. Yasser
Arafat, on the other hand, wants to seize the opportunity - At what other
time could anybody imagine Syria getting a seat at the UN Security
Council? Over Shimon Peres dead body, maybe. - and get a more serious
commitment of the US to the Palestinian State. Palestinians carrying
pictures of Osama Bin Laden around are not exactly helpful in that
process.
With each new day of bombing Afghanistan, one more Arab state is a
step closer to civil war. The problem with Arab world is demographic and
political. And it most certainly won$BCU(B be helped with war. Arab countries
are full of young people. When half of the population is under 30, it is
usually easier to imagine revolutions, protests and violent upheavals.
When half of the population is under 20, some sort of change simply
MUST happen. It is impossible to believe that the old order may survive.
Particularly, if it is a corrupt, authoritarian order with no mandate of the
people. Is there any democracy in the Arab world, except for Israel,
which is not really an Arab state? No. Arab states are either former
Soviet clients like Libya, Iraq and Syria - lead by Soviet style totalitarian
regimes, or they are military dictatorships like Pakistan, Egypt or Algeria,
or they are anachronistic feudal monarchies like Saudi Arabia, Morocco,
Jordan, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrein, Yemen, U.A.E. Iran is not an Arab
state, but it is geographically a part of the Arab world (just like Israel is),
and it is indeed the newest political regime in the region - but, while it
does show some promise, it is still an autocratic theocracy, where the
Council of Guardians - clerics appointed by the Supreme Leader - has a
veto power over the democratically elected president and
parliamentarians.
Maybe we should start asking ourselves why in the Arab world there is
not a single state by the people and for the people. And whether does
the quest for the cheap oil has anything to do with floating corrupt
autocratic states way past their expiration date. In which case it would be
expected that oppressed population there hates those who aid and abate
the regime that oppresses them. And are we really prepared to live like
Israelis just in order to keep the oil prices low, as they are just to keep on
with their settlement policy? Is there a third way? Again, I had to browse
foreign press to catch a glimpse of such an angle. Time, Newsweek,
People, USA Today, US News & World Report, they were all
preoccupied counting the missiles and airplanes their trustees possess
to dig deeper for the causes. So, I had to turn to the British The
Economist and particularly to the Canada$BCT(B Maclean$BCT(B with its essay
Season Of Change by Arthur Kent that carefully tackled that issue: this
is not about winning the war and capturing Bin Laden - this is about
winning young Arab world over to $BEP(Bur$BG(Bside, to the values of freedom,
democracy and peace.
But, while the US government espoused that rhetoric from the beginning,
it did in the end resort to the old fashioned air-war doctrine, and it did
impose the control over media reporting unseen of in a democratic state.
President Bush even wanted to cut the Congress out of the loop - on the
pretext of the leakage of sensitive information - something that even
ancient Roman Emperors would think twice before saying (less they
wanted to be found with a poisoned dagger in their chest on the next
morning). This is not how this war may be won. Osama Bin Laden
showed himself healthy, calm and belligerent on TV immediately after the
first day of attacks, simply repeating his old call on all Muslims around
the world to kill Americans wherever they can. And it works. For every
cruise missile fired in the abandoned training camp tent in Afghanistan,
there seems to be another young Arab willing to sacrifice his life doing
Al Qaeda$BCT(B bidding.
So far (if we take all recent $BAB(Bccidents$BC(Bto be connected to Al Qaeda) the
network focused on: a) destroying international aid facilities related to
Afghanistan - which shows precisely how a war against Afghanistan is
misguided: Osama doesn$BCU(B give a damn for Afghan civilians, they may all
starve, freeze to death in brutal Afghan winter, bleed to death in
hemorrhagic fever or burn to death in American napalm for all does he
care; b) raising the general fears in developed world - by random and
colossal destruction of property, sudden cases of rare contagious
diseases, bus hijacking, etc., and; c) raising in particular the fear of
traveling by airplane - more than a half of all recent $BAB(Bccidents$BC(Bwere air
travel related (including the Cessna that rammed the passenger airplane
on the Milan airport).
Of the developed world the countries that depend most on the air-travel
are the English speaking former $BEX(Bhite$BG(Bcolonies of British Empire, that,
together with its old master, today form the vaguely defined cultural
empire that $BAH(Buides$BC(Brather than rules the world. With the exception of
Japan, all other industrialized, developed nations are today connected by
roads or railroads (including the U.K. after the tunnel was built). The
U.S., Canada, Australia and New Zealand, unlike the U.K. and Japan, are
also dependent on air-travel not only to reach other countries but also
for domestic travel - due to the large distances and poorly developed
railroad network. The air travel became not only preferred perk but also
an inevitable part of life of a Western business professional. If business
people remain scared to fly - as they currently are - not only the airlines
will suffer: with the lack of personal contact the business in general will
become slower and less ebullient. This was well known to terrorist
groups in 1970s.
Europe responded with high security on airports (what we see now in the
U.S.) and by building a high-speed rail network as an alternative
(although the train can also be hijacked and run into another train, which
at that speeds is not much less deadly). Al Qaeda did not come up with a
new idea, here. They just perfected an old one: by using suicide pilots
that crash planes, they eliminated the need for firearms and explosives,
which can be detected by the modern airport security. I am also not sure
whether the U.S. intelligence even considered a remote possibility that
other, perhaps even non-Arab, states might have an interest in dragging
the U.S. into this kind of war - despite their unequivocal support that
they publicly express now.
It is hardly a secret that it has been a while since Americans had to watch
their $BEC(Boys$BG(Bdying at evening news. Yet, CNN was bringing carnage to
the American dinner table often from another parts of the world: Bosnia,
Croatia, Kosovo, Serbia, East Timor, Rwanda, Congo, Iraq, Kuwait, Israel,
Chechnya, Kashmiri, Algeria, Spain (ETA), Britain (IRA), etc. The
perception is that the American viewer must have acquired the blaze
feeling that Roman public once had watching, after a good meal, the
gladiator fights in the Colosseum. This feeling, if it had existed, was
brutally and severely shattered by the September 11 events. And the
polls (although I am not sure how much could we believe them) are
strongly suggesting that Americans are now ready and prepared to
watch their soldiers die in a war that would eventually destroy Al Qaeda.
Well, the public in other countries is more than prepared - in some places
the public is relieved - to watch American $BAC(Boys$BC(Bdie in war. Even more
perversely, they can$BCU(B wait to see how well will American public cope
with the sight. For example, although we saw the genuinely touchy
candle-lit vigil for the victims of September 11 attacks, in downtown
Zagreb (capital of Croatia), on Friday, September 14, we were spared from
hearing how the minute of silence was broken by the group of football
hooligan youth shouting: $BE7(Bukovar, Vukovar....$BG(BThe city was leveled by
the Yugoslav army, while Croatia was under the Western imposed arms
embargo, unable to defend it. This is definitively a part of the reason why
we don$BCU(B see anything interesting on the major U.S. news networks: the
authorities don$BCU(B think American public would cope well with the sight,
and the public support for the campaign might wane, so the media are
obviously restricted in what they can show, i.e. the media, indeed,
became manufacturers of the consent for war, just as Chomsky said, with
the story of Dick Cheney $BEB(Bt the secret location$BG(Brivaling $BAU(Bhe best$BC(Bof
what we used to hear about ailing Soviet and Chinese leaders in the days
of cold war.
Therefore, I was shocked, when, yesterday (Tuesday, October 9), at
around 8:30 pm I$BCW(Be heard this lyrics on the K-Rock, a commercial,
alternative-rock radio station in New York: $BE8(Bar is not the answer. We
should not escalate.$BG(BI was stretching, and it took at least two repetitions
of that lyrics to sink into me that it was the first time since September 11
that I$BCW(Be heard a song with anti-war lyrics on the American radio station.
As I thought - $BEX(Bhat$BCT(B going on?$BG(B- the song went into the chorus part,
singing: $BEX(Bhat$BCT(B going on?$BG(BIt was hilarious. Someone called to have
that song played. And for a while the D.J. deliberated publicly should
they or should they not play that particular song. Then they played it. It
was a tribute to Marvin Gaye by Papa-Roach. For some reason (?), the
D.J. couldn$BCU(B play the entire song up until the end - the repetitions of the
$BAX(Bar is not the answer$BC(Bwere blocked out of the song - but, cleverly, with
playing Nirvana$BCT(B $BA-(Bythium$BC(Bover it - $BE*(B am so happy...$BG(B- the most potent
sedative available on the American market. Upon the end of this, the D.J.
announced how he received an amazing number of phone calls, and he
didn$BCU(B want to discuss them - he just exclaimed $BEX(Bho are these people?$BG(B-
and played a jingle $BE'(Breedom$BG(Bbefore proceeding to the next song.
The jingle $BA'(Breedom$BC(Bis K-Rocks sales pitch for free tickets for concerts -
it ends like this: $BE(B..in some countries the freedom is not possible, but we
live in America and we have the freedom to chose.$BG(BThanks, dude. If you
lived in Serbia, you$BCE(B be considered for the U.S. based Committee to
Protect Journalists
$BA'(Breedom of Press Award$BC(B- but we shall at least hope that you would be able to
keep your job in America after this. Of course, earlier in the day, K-Rock did
exactly what Croatia$BC(BRadio 101 did during the war in Croatia: engage in some
OBL-bashing, like encouraging listeners to go to certain Yahoo forum
and $BAL(Bick some ass$BC(Bof alleged Islamic fundamentalist supporters there.
Later in the evening I watched an intelligent show with Charlie Rose on
channel 13 and I$BCW(Be heard Lennon$BCT(B $BE*(Bmagine$BG(Bplayed on 90.7 FM. I
think the real battle is here, not in Afghanistan. Also, a couple of days
ago I$BCW(Be listened to opinions of hip-hop artists, and they were strikingly
outspoken. That$BCT(B good, because if the freedom is lost here, then the
ultimate results of bombing Afghanistan will be quite irrelevant.
Ivo Skoric
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Message: 18
To: NETTIME-L@BBS.THING.NET
From: "Paul Taylor" <p.a.taylor@salford.ac.uk>(by way of richard barbrook)
Cc: xhrc@yahoogroups.com, cyber-society-live@jiscmail.ac.uk,
history_of_convergence@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:24:22 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Nettime-bold] Hacktivist seminar
Reply-To: nettime-bold@nettime.org
Hi there,
the ESRC seminar on Hacktivism is taking place at the University of Salford
on Nov 8th from 11am - 4pm in the Raylegh Room Faraday House.
The keynote speaker is Ricardo Dominguez of the New York Hacktivist group
"Electronic Disturbance Theatre".
Other speakers include: Tim Jordan of the Open University; Paul Taylor of
Salford University; and Jayne Rodgers of the University of Leeds.
Registration is free, please let me know if you would like to attend.
Directions:
Faraday House is located on the lefthand side of the set of traffic lights
in the middle of the University campus and located on the main
dual-carriageway that approaches the University from Manchester City Centre.
For those coming from outside the city by train, I advise you make a short
taxi ride, for those coming by car, please contact me for further
directions.
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Message: 20
From: "rcam" <rcollins@netlink.com.au>
To: <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:45:39 +1000
Subject: [Nettime-bold] RE: <nettime> Violent Agreement
Reply-To: nettime-bold@nettime.org
And the barriers to the movement of people were strengthened in the same
period, in 1996 in the US, Schengen in the EU, and Australia in 1992. Also
(and I'm most familiar here with Australia), the taxation take - especially
from incomes - increased, which means a shift in expenditure rather than a
contraction. The major beneficiaries of this shift were defense, policing,
jails and border patrolling. I guess those could be called 'core
missions', but it would seem a little ironic to describe them as part of
some neo-liberal project.
Angela
_______________
: > > Neoliberalism
: >
: >The more something is repeated, the more it must be true... What, other
: >than repetition (and a certain perspective), would indicate that the last
: >decade or so might be characterised as neo-liberalism?
: >
: >Angela
:
: That a lot of barriers to the movement of goods (and finance) across
: countries were removed? That a lot of governments undertook policies
: to shrink their size, and to divest themselves of state-owned
: enterprises in the hope that a smaller government focused on its core
: missions would be a more efficient and less corrupt government?
:
: Brad DeLong
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:37:02 -0400
To: "nettime-l@bbs.thing.net" <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
From: "Paul D. Miller" <djspooky@djspooky.com>
Subject: [Nettime-bold] DJ SPOOKY RECORD RELEASE PARTY - THIS FRIDAY...
Reply-To: nettime-bold@nettime.org
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Hey folks - could you put this in the main section with the rest of
the e-mails... I'd really appreciate it.
thanx,
Paul
script fade in/sequence/begins/now:
Please Forward!!!!
Dj Spooky's new album "Under the Influence" - is coming out, and he's
throwing a big party this Friday, October 12th - come on by!!!!
Time: This FRIDAY - 9pm until whenever...
Place: The Lunatarium - Jay & Water Streets in Dumbo Brooklyn - top
floor... really big industrial space with a view of all three bridges
between the city.... more info: www.djspooky.com
Performers:
DJ Spooky that Subliminal Kid
Dj Assault from Detroit
Dj Singe from Soundlab
Lure
Akin Atoms from Byzar
Dj Duane from Other Music Record Store
Special Live event with Sussan Deyhim and Arto Lindsay with Dj Spooky
Hello everyone. First and foremost I apologize about any multiple
copies of this e-mail - if you'd like to be removed from the list,
just drop me a line with the usual "unsubscribe" in the subject
heading... and consider the fadeout...
THE EVENT:
Subliminal Kid Productions is pleased to announce a "HAPPENING" based
on conceptual art and dj culture to celebrate Dj Spooky's new album
"Under the Influence." A portion of the proceeds will go to the photo
installation of "Here is New York" on 116 Prince St's fund with the
CHILDRENS AID SOCIETY 911 FUND- made to help the orphans of the
terror... learning from this to build understanding for a new
world... a democracy of images to help the CHILDRENS AID SOCIETY 911
FUND - check the info at:
www.hereisnewyork.org
THE NEW ALBUM: "Under the Influence" by Dj Spooky that Subliminal Kid
The record is called "Under the Influence"... the artist is called
"Dj Spooky that Subliminal Kid"... the mix is yet another sound art
piece directed out at a world in geo-political upheaval... more than
that, its a sound piece based on ruins and resilience, sound and
silence - aural mnemonics from the edge of the 4th world... In this
era of confusion and relentless corruption at all levels of world
culture, sometimes music is the only thing to make us all realize
that we have something in common: humanity.
So that's what the new album is about:
synchronia/synchronicity - pulling all the patterns together with
sound... there's tracks from Moby, Talvin Singh, Ryuichi Sakamoto,
Future Sound of London, electro wild stylz from Anti-Pop Consortium,
Phoenix Orion and Dj Hive, art music maestros Sonic Youth and Arto
Lindsay, Dj Singe and MC Verb who do that legendary event in NYC
called Soundlab... and there's even turntablists like Mix Master Mike
from the Beastie Boys and his Automator remix (Automator is the
fellow behind the "Gorrilaz" virtual band), Kut Masta Kurt and his
project with Kool Keith and Motion Man a.k.a. "The Masters of
Illusion" and Dj DeckWreckka out of London, and the poet laureate of
experimental hip-hop, Saul Williams... The album also features some
of Dj Spooky's remixes and collaborations with Sussan Deyhim - master
of digital persian music on a global scale...
The idea here, as always, is to flip the script on contemporary
music and art to build bridges between scenes, zones, and styles...
you could call it global pan humanism or something... Whatever the
name, just come on by and check the vibe: there'll be people from all
tribes and affiliations, rich, poor, weird, normal, literary...
whatever... its a carnival of all souls open to the sounds... ....
another 21st Century wildstyle situation...
Time: This FRIDAY - 9pm until whenever...
Place: The Lunatarium - Jay & Water Streets in Dumbo Brooklyn - top
floor... really big industrial space with a view of all three bridges
between the city....
Visual Material: The event will also be a special screening of Carrie
mae Weems response to the World Trade Center tragedy: a video called
"A Moment of Silence"
Repeat/Complete:
portion of the proceeds will go to the amazing photo installation of
"Here is New York" - images of the World trade Tragedy made to help
the orphans of the terror... learning from this to build
understanding for a new world... a democracy of images to help the
CHILDRENS AID SOCIETY 911 FUND - check the info at:
www.hereisnewyork.org
the line up for the event/situation is as follows:
DJ Spooky that Subliminal Kid - a character out of William S.
Burroughs "Nova Express" and Paul D. Miller's upcoming novel "Flow my
Blood the Dj Said"....
Dj Assault - Detroit wildstylz master of "Ghetto Tech" - digital info
officer of the starship "Chocolate City"...
Dj Duane from that amazing record store called "Other Music"
Lure - a band that blurs... artrock for the 21st century
Arto Lindsay - Noise/No Wave/Guitar crazy guy
Sussan Deyhim - she's from Iran and does wild stuff with computers...
the darling of the artworld... composer of the amazing music for
Shirin Neshat's films.... she's going to do a live set with Dj
Spooky around midnite...
Dj Singe - the power vixen behind Soundlab - the legendary NYC art
event that still has the conventional artworld scratching its head...
is it art or music?
and several others....
for more info check the website:
www.djspooky.com
the event is in conjunction with CMJ, and if you have one of the CMJ
badges... it'll help, but its not necessary...
ticket info at
www.dumboluna.com
DIRE DIRECTIONS
Subway: Take the F to York St or A/C to High St. Walk down Jay St,
take a left on Front St and a right on Main St
Car: Take Manhattan Bridge upper level, first exit onto Jay, right on
Prospect and left back onto Jay, take a left on Front St and a right
on Main St - it's right off the water, and there'll be lots of folks
hanging out in front... you can't miss it... plus the elevators are
big enough to carry trucks so you know its in another one of those
wild spots....
THE NEW ALBUM: "Under the Influence" by Dj Spooky that Subliminal Kid
- out now!
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Paul D. Miller a.k.a. Dj Spooky that Subliminal Kid
Subliminal Kid Inc.
Office Mailing Address:
Music and Art Management
245 w14th st #2RC NY NY
10011
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Hey folks - could you put this in the main section with the rest of the
e-mails... I'd really appreciate it.
thanx,
Paul
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Please Forward!!!!
Dj Spooky's new album "Under the Influence" - is coming out, and he's
throwing a big party this Friday, October 12th - come on by!!!!
Time: This FRIDAY - 9pm until whenever...
Place: The Lunatarium - Jay & Water Streets in Dumbo Brooklyn - top
floor... really big industrial space with a view of all three bridges
between the city.... more info: www.djspooky.com
Performers:
DJ Spooky that Subliminal Kid
Dj Assault from Detroit
Dj Singe from Soundlab
Lure
Akin Atoms from Byzar
Dj Duane from Other Music Record Store
Special Live event with Sussan Deyhim and Arto Lindsay with Dj Spooky
Hello everyone. First and foremost I apologize about any multiple
copies of this e-mail - if you'd like to be removed from the list, just
drop me a line with the usual "unsubscribe" in the subject heading...
and consider the fadeout...
THE EVENT:
Subliminal Kid Productions is pleased to announce a "HAPPENING" based
on conceptual art and dj culture to celebrate Dj Spooky's new album
"Under the Influence." A portion of the proceeds will go to the photo
installation of "Here is New York" on 116 Prince St's fund with the
CHILDRENS AID SOCIETY 911 FUND- made to help the orphans of the
terror... learning from this to build understanding for a new world...
a democracy of images to help the CHILDRENS AID SOCIETY 911 FUND -
check the info at:
www.hereisnewyork.org
THE NEW ALBUM: "Under the Influence" by Dj Spooky that Subliminal Kid
The record is called "Under the Influence"... the artist is called "Dj
Spooky that Subliminal Kid"... the mix is yet another sound art piece
directed out at a world in geo-political upheaval... more than that,
its a sound piece based on ruins and resilience, sound and silence -
aural mnemonics from the edge of the 4th world... In this era of
confusion and relentless corruption at all levels of world culture,
sometimes music is the only thing to make us all realize that we have
something in common: humanity.
So that's what the new album is about: synchronia/synchronicity -
pulling all the patterns together with sound... there's tracks from
Moby, Talvin Singh, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Future Sound of London, electro
wild stylz from Anti-Pop Consortium, Phoenix Orion and Dj Hive, art
music maestros Sonic Youth and Arto Lindsay, Dj Singe and MC Verb who
do that legendary event in NYC called Soundlab... and there's even
turntablists like Mix Master Mike from the Beastie Boys and his
Automator remix (Automator is the fellow behind the "Gorrilaz" virtual
band), Kut Masta Kurt and his project with Kool Keith and Motion Man
a.k.a. "The Masters of Illusion" and Dj DeckWreckka out of London, and
the poet laureate of experimental hip-hop, Saul Williams... The album
also features some of Dj Spooky's remixes and collaborations with
Sussan Deyhim - master of digital persian music on a global scale...
The idea here, as always, is to flip the script on contemporary music
and art to build bridges between scenes, zones, and styles... you could
call it global pan humanism or something... Whatever the name, just
come on by and check the vibe: there'll be people from all tribes and
affiliations, rich, poor, weird, normal, literary... whatever... its a
carnival of all souls open to the sounds... .... another 21st Century
wildstyle situation...
Time: This FRIDAY - 9pm until whenever...
Place: The Lunatarium - Jay & Water Streets in Dumbo Brooklyn - top
floor... really big industrial space with a view of all three bridges
between the city....
Visual Material: The event will also be a special screening of Carrie
mae Weems response to the World Trade Center tragedy: a video called "A
Moment of Silence"
Repeat/Complete:
portion of the proceeds will go to the amazing photo installation of
"Here is New York" - images of the World trade Tragedy made to help the
orphans of the terror... learning from this to build understanding for
a new world... a democracy of images to help the CHILDRENS AID SOCIETY
911 FUND - check the info at:
www.hereisnewyork.org
the line up for the event/situation is as follows:
DJ Spooky that Subliminal Kid - a character out of William S. Burroughs
"Nova Express" and Paul D. Miller's upcoming novel "Flow my Blood the
Dj Said"....
Dj Assault - Detroit wildstylz master of "Ghetto Tech" - digital info
officer of the starship "Chocolate City"...
Dj Duane from that amazing record store called "Other Music"
Lure - a band that blurs... artrock for the 21st century
Arto Lindsay - Noise/No Wave/Guitar crazy guy
Sussan Deyhim - she's from Iran and does wild stuff with computers...
the darling of the artworld... composer of the amazing music for Shirin
Neshat's films.... she's going to do a live set with Dj Spooky around
midnite...
Dj Singe - the power vixen behind Soundlab - the legendary NYC art
event that still has the conventional artworld scratching its head...
is it art or music?
and several others....
for more info check the website:
www.djspooky.com
the event is in conjunction with CMJ, and if you have one of the CMJ
badges... it'll help, but its not necessary...
ticket info at
www.dumboluna.com
<bold><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>DIRE DIRECTIONS
Subway: Take the F to York St or A/C to High St. Walk down Jay St, take
a left on Front St and a right on Main St
Car: Take Manhattan Bridge upper level, first exit onto Jay, right on
Prospect and left back onto Jay, take a left on Front St and a right on
Main St - it's right off the water, and there'll be lots of folks
hanging out in front... you can't miss it... plus the elevators are big
enough to carry trucks so you know its in another one of those wild
spots....
</fontfamily></bold>THE NEW ALBUM: "Under the Influence" by Dj Spooky
that Subliminal Kid<fontfamily><param>Geneva</param> - out now!
</fontfamily>script fade out/sequence/closure
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Port:status>OPEN
wildstyle access: www.djspooky.com
Paul D. Miller a.k.a. Dj Spooky that Subliminal Kid
Subliminal Kid Inc.
Office Mailing Address:
Music and Art Management
245 w14th st #2RC NY NY
10011
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:28:00 +0800
From: linda wallace <linda@machinehunger.com.au>
Organization: linda@machinehunger.com.au
To: "fibreculture@lists.myspinach.org" <fibreculture@lists.myspinach.org>
Subject: [Nettime-bold] ::contagion::Australian Media Art @ The Centenary
of Federation, 2001
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<a thousand apologies for cross postings>
http://www.nzfa.org.nz/contagion/text/index.htm
::contagion::
Australian Media Art @ The Centenary of Federation, 2001
New Zealand Film Archive, Wellington
Oct 11th to Nov 18 2001
::contagion::, formulated by artist and curator Linda Wallace, brings
together a selection of new video and computer artworks from Australia.
The exhibition, featuring the work of over 25 artists, will exist both
in $Bkh(Bard$Bm (Bspace in the premises of the New Zealand Film Archive in
Wellington, New Zealand, and in net space, with a number of net.works
linked from the website as an integral part of the exhibition.
for exhibition essay and artists bios, info and images from all works,
please visit:
http://www.nzfa.org.nz/contagion/text/index.htm
ARTISTS
Emile Zile 6pm Personality
Emil Goh digital feedback
Kate Murphy Britney Love installation
Ian Andrews Jumpcut, Equilibrium, Departure
Tracey Moffatt and
Gary Hillberg Artist
Linda Wallace eurovision
Richard Grant maju "Pale Blood Coloured Recollections"
David McDowell seesaw
Michael Schiavello This Kind of Country
Eliza Hutchinson voila!
Josie Starrs and
Leon Cmielewski AKA
Kuba Dorabialski Interview for Foreign Television
Andrew Gadow Inversion
Patricia Piccinini SO2 images
Vivienne Dadour Realm
Matthew Riley Memo
Michele Barker Praeternatural
INTERNET
Komninos Zervos
antimedia site
Gary Foley
Gary Zebington
seo
MEZ
alias frequencies
Zina Kaye, mr snow and Caleb K
Melinda Rackham
http://www.nzfa.org.nz/contagion/text/index.htm
linda wallace
curator ::contagion::
www.machinehunger.com.au
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<br>
<p><b><font size=+3>::contagion::</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+1>Australian Media Art @ The Centenary of Federation,
2001</font></b><b><font size=+1></font></b>
<p><b><font size=+1>New Zealand Film Archive, Wellington</font></b>
<br><font size=+1>Oct 11th to Nov 18
2001</font>
<br><font size=+1></font> <font size=+1></font>
<p><b><font size=+1> ::contagion::, formulated by artist and curator
Linda Wallace, brings together a selection of new video and computer artworks
from Australia. The exhibition, featuring the work of over 25 artists,
will exist both in $BAI(Bard$BC(Bspace in the premises of the New Zealand Film
Archive in Wellington, New Zealand, and in net space, with a number of
net.works linked from the website as an integral part of the
exhibition.</font></b><b><font size=+1></font></b>
<p><font size=+1>for exhibition essay and artists bios, info and images
from all works, please visit:</font><b><font size=+1></font></b>
<p><b><font size=+1><A
HREF="http://www.nzfa.org.nz/contagion/text/index.htm">http://www.nzfa.org.n
z/contagion/text/index.htm</A></font></b>
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<br><font size=+1></font> <font size=+1></font>
<p>ARTISTS
<p>Emile
Zile
6pm Personality
<br>Emil
Goh &
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digital feedback
<br>Kate
Murphy &nbs
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Britney Love installation
<br>Ian
Andrews &nb
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Jumpcut, Equilibrium, Departure
<br>Tracey Moffatt and
<br>Gary
Hillberg &n
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Artist
<br>Linda
Wallace
eurovision
<br>Richard
Grant  
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maju "Pale Blood Coloured Recollections"
<br>David McDowell
seesaw
<br>Michael Schiavello This Kind of
Country
<br>Eliza Hutchinson
voila!
<br>Josie Starrs and
<br>Leon Cmielewski AKA
<br>Kuba Dorabialski Interview
for Foreign Television
<br>Andrew
Gadow  
;
Inversion
<br>Patricia Piccinini
SO2 images
<br>Vivienne Dadour Realm
<br>Matthew
Riley  
;
Memo
<br>Michele Barker
Praeternatural
<p>INTERNET
<br>Komninos Zervos
<br>antimedia site
<br>Gary Foley
<br>Gary Zebington
<br>seo
<br>MEZ
<br>alias frequencies
<br>Zina Kaye, mr snow and Caleb K
<br>Melinda Rackham
<br>
<br>
<p><b><A
HREF="http://www.nzfa.org.nz/contagion/text/index.htm">http://www.nzfa.org.n
z/contagion/text/index.htm</A></b>
<br>
<br>
<p><b>linda wallace</b>
<br><b>curator ::contagion::</b>
<br><b>www.machinehunger.com.au</b></html>
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To: <nettime-bold@nettime.org>
Subject: RE: [Nettime-bold] nettime:Perfect:From:Bentertain1@cs.com
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:13:05 -0500
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I'm not a woman and I find that comment/joke offensive to me and to women in
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Steve McAlexander
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Passing this on from a friend in LA...
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Subject: perfect
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 17:20:56 EDT
From: Bentertain1@cs.com
To: SuzyRB@va.com.au,
The perfect solution...
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Killing him will only create a martyr. Holding him
prisoner will inspire his comrades to take hostages
to demand his release. Therefore, we suggest we do
neither.
Let the Special Forces, Seals or whoever covertly
capture him, fly him to an undisclosed hospital and
have surgeons quickly perform a complete sex
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:36:31 -0700
To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net
From: Rick Prelinger <footage@panix.com>
Subject: [Nettime-bold] self-censorship in USA
Reply-To: nettime-bold@nettime.org
At U.S. Request, Networks Agree to Edit Future bin Laden Tapes
New York Times, October 11, 2001
By BILL CARTER and FELICITY BARRINGER
The five major television news organizations reached a
joint agreement yesterday to follow the suggestion of the
White House and abridge any future videotaped statements
from Osama bin Laden or his followers to remove language
the government considers inflammatory.
The decision, the first time in memory that the networks
had agreed to a joint arrangement to limit their
prospective news coverage, was described by one network
executive as a "patriotic" decision that grew out of a
conference call between the nation's top television news
executives and the White House national security adviser,
Condoleezza Rice, yesterday morning.
The five news organizations, ABC News, CBS News, NBC News,
along with its subsidiary, MSNBC, the Cable News Network
and the Fox News Channel all had broadcast, unedited, a
taped message from Mr. bin Laden on Sunday. On Tuesday, the
all-news cable channels, CNN, Fox News and MSNBC, also
carried the complete speech of a spokesmen for Al Qaeda.
Ari Fleischer, the White House spokesman, indicated in his
news briefing yesterday that Ms. Rice was primarily
concerned that terrorists could be using the broadcasts to
send coded messages to other terrorists, but the network
executives said in interviews that this was only a
secondary consideration.
They said Ms. Rice mainly argued that the tapes enabled Mr.
bin Laden to vent propaganda intended to incite hatred and
potentially kill more Americans.
The executives said that they would broadcast only short
parts of any tape issued by Al Qaeda and would eliminate
any passages containing flowery rhetoric urging violence
against Americans. They agreed to accompany the tapes with
reports providing what they called appropriate context.
They also agreed to avoid repeatedly showing excerpts from
the tapes, which they had previously done in what one
executive described as "video wallpaper."
One network, ABC, said it would limit the use of moving
images from tapes released by Mr. Bin Laden or Al Qaeda,
mostly relying on a still picture from a frame of the tape
and the printed text of whatever message was being
delivered.
The coverage of the aftermath of the terrorists attacks on
New York and the Pentagon has generated intense competitive
pressure among the television news organizations, which has
increased this week as the news divisions labored to find
images to continue documenting American attacks on
Afghanistan.
The tapes have been broadcast by the Arabic language
satellite network Al Jazeera and picked up by the American
networks.
The news executives said they had never previously
consulted one other en masse and come to an agreement on a
policy about coverage.
But they said the current circumstances were unlike any
others they had encountered.
"This is a new situation, a new war and a new kind of
enemy," said Andrew Heyward, the president of CBS News.
"Given the historic events we're enmeshed in, it's
appropriate to explore new ways of fulfilling our
responsibilities to the public."
The presidents of the news divisions all said that Ms. Rice
had not tried to coerce them.
"She was very gentle, very diplomatic, very deft," said
Roger Ailes, the chairman of Fox News.
Walter Isaacson, the chairman of CNN, said, "It was very
useful to hear their information and their thinking." He
added, "After hearing Dr. Rice, we're not going to step on
the land mines she was talking about."
Mr. Isaacson did not specify what information Ms. Rice had
provided that led to the executives' decision.
"Her biggest point," said Neal Shapiro, the president of
NBC News, "was that here was a charismatic speaker who
could arouse anti- American sentiment getting 20 minutes of
air time to spew hatred and urge his followers to kill
Americans."
The notion that Mr. bin Laden was sending messages to
followers through the tapes seemed less than credible to
several of the executives.
"What sense would it make to keep the tapes off the air if
the message could be found transcripted in newspapers or on
the Web?" said one network executive, who spoke on
condition of anonymity. "The videos could also appear on
the Internet. They'd get the message anyway."
The unusual interaction between the White House and
television executives was set up late Tuesday evening when
Ms. Rice called each executive. They gathered in their
offices at 9 a.m. for the conference call.
She spoke with them for about 20 minutes, explaining her
reservations about allowing Mr. bin Laden such access to
American television. A White House official familiar with
the phone call said Ms Rice had two concerns: that the
messages would reach any remaining terrorist cells in the
United States and would also inflame Muslim populations in
such places as Malaysia and the Philippines, who would see
the tapes through international channels of CNN and NBC.
Ms. Rice answered questions. Then she hung up. But the
executives had agreed before the call to stay on the line
and talk among themselves.
The networks were not the first news organizations to
acquiesce to an administration requests to edit or withhold
information.
Leonard Downie Jr., the executive editor of The Washington
Post, said yesterday that "a handful of times" in the past
month, the newspaper's reporting had prompted calls from
administration officials who "raised concerns that a
specific story or more often that certain facts in a
certain story, would compromise national security."
Mr. Downie added, "In some instances we have kept out of
stories certain facts that we agreed could be detrimental
to national security and not instrumental to our readers,
such as methods of intelligence collection."
Clark Hoyt, the Washington editor of Knight Ridder, said
his organization had decided to hold back a report about
"some small units of U.S. special operations forces had
entered Afghanistan and were trying to locate bin Laden"
within two weeks of the attacks on the Pentagon and the
World Trade Center.
Howell Raines, the executive editor of The New York Times,
said that since Sept. 11, Times executives had not had any
conversations with government officials about the handling
of sensitive information.
Mr. Raines said: "Our longstanding practice has been that
if a high government official wants to talk to us about
security issues, we're available for that conversation. We
also would feel free to seek guidance if there was
information in our judgment that might be sensitive."
The networks' decision has not raised serious protests
among television journalists. Ted Koppel, the ABC
"Nightline" anchor, said, "If we want to run some of the
videotape, our understanding is we're still free to do it."
But, Mr. Koppel said, the videotapes by and large have not
been compelling enough for long showings.
The CBS anchor, Dan Rather, said: "By nature and
experience, I'm always wary when the government seeks in
any way to have a hand in editorial decisions. But this is
an extraordinary time. In the context of this time, the
conversation as I understand it seems reasonable on both
sides."
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/11/national/11TUBE.html?ex=1003781728&ei=1&en
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Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
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