| Martin (biz.finder.net.au)" (by way of "Phonet][r][ix" <netwurker@hotkey.net.au>) on 30 Mar 2001 09:36:33 -0000 |
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| [Nettime-bold] Recodebacle - the latest debacle of internet censorship. |
Friends you may or not be interested in the latest debacle of
internet censorship - this time from within the ranks of our own art
community.
Today it appears that not one but two active Australian Internet Artists
had their opinions and art removed from Recode, a rather prominent Aussie
art and technology mailing list. Recode is maintained by the Australian
Network for Art and Technology, a member based organisation, of which
both the censored artists are members.
As the following emails show, ANAT Director Jules Pierce today made
an executive decision to unsubscribe the artist currently known as netwurker
from the recode list. Jules posted to the list her reasons for doing so.
It seems that the subsequent posts made by myself to recode have gotten
'lost' in the Internet. As they have not appeared on the recode list.
Going by activities prior, I am currently assuming that I also have been
filtered from the recode list.
All this just weeks after a major thread started by Scott Art (autonomous),
entitled 'i'm all for making trouble !!!' - the ensuing conversations
ruminated on why a list like recode is so meek and mild. Responses high
lighted the fact that upsetting arts funding bodies and art organisations
was risky business if you had a want for funding and support.
eg; play the game
Today I tried to play my game(ART) and maybe I lost,
but at least people heard me lose.
regards
Free the Radical
Mail 1 : includes Jules first post to recode announcing the unsub of
netwurker and includes netwurkers response.
As netwurker was unsubbed this mail was FWD to recode by FTR
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:21:12 +0930
>To: recode@autonomous.org
>From: "Martin (biz.finder.net.au)" <martin@finder.net.au>
>Subject: [Col][Lab8 [C]Logging: Agency of The N][arratively fractured][etwurk
>Cc:
>Bcc: netwurker@hotkey.net.au
>X-Attachments:
>
>**********************************
>At 11:35 AM 30/03/01 +1000, you wrote:
>>X-Sender: netwurker@hotkey.net.au
>>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:58:57 +1000
>>To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net, recode@autonomous.org, list@rhizome.org,
>> syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de
>>From: "Phonet][r][ix" <netwurker@hotkey.net.au>
>>Subject: :::recode::: ][Col][Lab7 Logging: Agency of The N][arratively
>> fractured][etwurk
>>Sender: owner-recode@autonomous.org
>>Reply-To: "Phonet][r][ix" <netwurker@hotkey.net.au>
>>X-majordomo-version: 1.94.4
>>Status:
>>
>>
>>:::recode::: subscribers would have received this email probably 3 or
>>4 times in the last couple of days.
>>
>>due to the extensive cross postings, syndicate, nettime and rhizome
>>also would have received multiple copies.
>>
>>this sort of spamming is getting pretty boring, and the perpetrators
>>have been unsubscribed from this list.
>>
>>There has been much discussion about abuse of lists, and people
> >should be very careful about why and how they australian and
> >international lists.
> >
> >cheers Jules
> >
> >
>
>dear jules,
>
>i'm not sure if you even attempted to read the contents of the so-called
>spam mails i have been sending. firstly, the mails are not the identical,
>and have been changing due to the responses that my call to contribute has
>engendered. as it has been a part of a international collaborative net.wurk
>that has evolved via the lists over the past few days, its very
>disappointing to have this reaction, especially to be unsubbed without you
>enquiring as to the nature of the postings.
>
>the contributors now include:
>
>.Phonet][r][ix <netwurker@hotkey.net.au>+
>.Beatrice Beaubien <i2eye@mac.com>++
>.Barbara Steinberg <barbara@panix.com>+websociology@yahoogroups.com+
>.susan_katz_nyc <revere1955@msn.com>__
>.Jorge Luiz Antonio <jlantonio@uol.com.br>-+--
>.Tony Green <tgreen@clear.net.nz>+---
>.Ted Warnell <warnell@memlane.com>-..//+
>.Frater Tendai <mblankenhagen@synapplix.de> <<<>>>>
>.morning glory <glory@ntlworld.com> ()
>.Anna Geyer <Anna.Geyer@gawler.sa.gov.au> [ ]-
>.Talan Memmott <@percepticon.com>- -
>.James Allan <james@teleportacia.org> .
>.Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com>( o )..
>.darko fritz <fritz.d@chello.nl>
>.frederic madre <fmadre@pop.wanadoo.fr>
>
>in future maybe pursue a more communicative approach to anything you find
>troublesome or detrimental to the lists functioning.
>
>in ][profound][ disappointment,
>mez
>
>***************************
>
>
>
>jules,
>
>another response to this so-called spam attack...am curious as to why there
>was no attempt made to contact me personally as to the contents/intent of
>the net.wurk entitled "][Col][Lab8 Logging: Agency of The N][arratively
>fractured][etwurk"? being familar as you are with my work, i would have
>assumed that a brief mail was warranted, or actually even sent out of
>simple courtesy.
>
>i'd like to request that i be resubbed to recode immediately, so that
>issues such as this can be discussed according to the dynamics of the list
>itself and not blanket-censored without any type of open communication
effort.
>
>again, disappointed beyond belief,
>mez
>
>
>****************
>
>
>jules,
>
>just thought i'd repost yr own mail in regards to a previous attempt to
>unsubscribe me from recode due to the "unsuitability" of my work.
>
>i am curious as to the turnaround in your position?
>
>*****************************************
>>X-Sender: jules@systemx.autonomous.org
>>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:55:21 +1100
>>To: recode@autonomous.org
>>From: jules@autonomous.org (Julianne Pierce)
>>Subject: Re: :::recode:::[webartery] RE_complaint
>>Sender: owner-recode@autonomous.org
>>Reply-To: jules@autonomous.org (Julianne Pierce)
>>X-majordomo-version: 1.94.4
>>
>>Hi Vicki,
>>
>>thanks for raising your concerns about what sort of data is posted on
>>:::recode:::, and in fact what the aim of :::recode::: actually is. Yes
>>it's true that is does hum along at a low level for most of the time, with
> >occasional bursts of activity. In comparison to a list like nettime, which
>>is extremely busy, :::recode::: is very quiet, but then again, it is a much
>>smaller list, with about 200 subscribers.
>>
>>Even though the list has been set up for discussion and information, I
>>think that it is fairly open about what can be posted. There is no
>>moderation of the list, I act as an administrator, and do not filter out
>>any postings. I can understand that mezandwalt's postings might seem out of
>>place on the list, but I would not like to unsubscribe them, as I think
>>that their work reacts and responds to all sorts of traffic on the net.
>>Even though it is some sort of data stream of consciousness, it seems to me
>>an attempt to interpret data flows, code, digits etc. The one thing that is
>>pretty annoying though, is that it is cross-posted across a whole lot of
>>lists. So in fact, the work is not responding to the what goes on at
>>:::recode:::, rather it is a general burst of mezandwalt across the net.
>>
>>So it seems to me that :::recode::: is a vehicle for mezandwalt to get
>>there work out there, if it is annoying to a lot of recoders, perhaps it is
>>not the best venue for their work. Otherwise the delete button is always
>>the personalised receiver option...
>>
>>cheers, Jules
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>. . .... .....
> net.wurk][.Phonet][r][ix][
> n.sert no here xXXx
> +
> www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker
>.... . .??? .......
Mail 2: I mail netwurker an hour after my response to the unsub,
doesn't show up on recode
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:34:00 +0930
>To: "Phonet][r][ix" <netwurker@hotkey.net.au>
>From: "Martin (biz.finder.net.au)" <martin@finder.net.au>
>Subject: Fwd: Re: :::recode::: too much spam
>Cc:
>Bcc:
>X-Attachments:
>
>it's a bit odd,
>the reply you asked me to fwd to recode got through.
>But this is the first email I sent which,
>hmmm - somehow didn't make it to recode ?
>
>FTR
>
>
>>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:16:24 +0930
>>To: Julianne Pierce <jules@autonomous.org>, recode@autonomous.org
>>From: "Martin (biz.finder.net.au)" <martin@finder.net.au>
>>Subject: Re: :::recode::: too much spam
>>Cc:
>>Bcc:
>>X-Attachments:
>>
>>>
>>>this sort of spamming is getting pretty boring, and the
>>>perpetrators have been unsubscribed from this list.
>>>
>>
>>FUCK THIS
Mail 3: 3 hours later no posts of mine are getting to recode,
I attempt to unsub Jules
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:00:54 +0930
>To: majordomo@autonomous.org
>From: "Martin (biz.finder.net.au)" <martin@finder.net.au>
>Subject: gameplay
>Cc:
>Bcc:
>X-Attachments:
>
>unsubscribe recode jules@autonomous.org
Mail 4: I mail my response not only to recode but also to the other
lists Jules sent her unsub announcement to.
The recode one does not get through. It appears as though all
traffic on recode had been turned off for the day.
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:01:15 +0930
>To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net, recode@autonomous.org,
>list@rhizome.org, syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de
>From: "Martin (biz.finder.net.au)" <martin@finder.net.au>
>Subject: two such maps
>Cc:
>Bcc:
>X-Attachments:
>
>:::freecode::: sub[jugative]scribers would have rather received this
>email probably 3 times 4 in the last couple of ways.
>
>True to the extensive cross postings, syndicate, nettime and rhizome
>also would have received multiple copies.
>
>this sort of banning is getting pretty boring, and the perpetrators
>have been unsubscribbled from this list.
>
>There has been much discussion about abuse of artists, and people
>should be very careful about why and how they australian and
>doesn't make sense.
>
>let's play a game....
>
>If the address you wish to remove from the list is different from
>the address from which you are sending the message, the command
>may be written instead as:
>
> unsubscribe LISTNAME EmailAddress
>
>replacing "LISTNAME" with the name of the list and replacing
>"EmailAddress" with the address you want to remove from the list
>
>
>Free the Radical
Mail 5: unfortunately the majordomo mail server refuses my request
to unsub Jules, and I mail the failure notice to recode.
It does not get through.
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:03:06 +0930
>To: recode@autonomous.org
>From: "Martin (biz.finder.net.au)" <martin@finder.net.au>
>Subject: Fwd: Majordomo results: gameplay
>Cc:
>Bcc:
>X-Attachments:
>
>>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:31:02 +1000
>>To: martin@finder.net.au
>>From: Majordomo@autonomous.org
>>Subject: Majordomo results: gameplay
>>Reply-To: Majordomo@autonomous.org
>>
>>--
>>
>>>>>> unsubscribe recode jules@autonomous.org
>>Your request to Majordomo@autonomous.org:
>>
>> unsubscribe recode jules@autonomous.org
>>
>>has been forwarded to the owner of the "recode" list for approval.
>>This could be for any of several reasons:
>>
>> You might have asked to subscribe to a "closed" list, where all new
>> additions must be approved by the list owner.
>>
>> You might have asked to subscribe or unsubscribe an address other than
>> the one that appears in the headers of your mail message.
>>
>>When the list owner approves your request, you will be notified.
>>
>>If you have any questions about the policy of the list owner, please
>>contact "recode-approval@autonomous.org".
>>
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Majordomo@autonomous.org
Mail 6: After waiting a little longer I decide, that the unsub failure
mail should also go to the other lists that Jules posted her
original unsub announcement to.
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:19:02 +0930
>To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net, list@rhizome.org, syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de
>From: "Martin (biz.finder.net.au)" <martin@finder.net.au>
>Subject: Majordomo results: gameplay
>Cc:
>Bcc:
>X-Attachments:
>
>>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:31:02 +1000
>>To: martin@finder.net.au
>>From: Majordomo@autonomous.org
>>Subject: Majordomo results: gameplay
>>Reply-To: Majordomo@autonomous.org
>>
>>--
>>
>>>>>> unsubscribe recode jules@autonomous.org
>>Your request to Majordomo@autonomous.org:
>>
>> unsubscribe recode jules@autonomous.org
>>
>>has been forwarded to the owner of the "recode" list for approval.
>>This could be for any of several reasons:
>>
>> You might have asked to subscribe to a "closed" list, where all new
>> additions must be approved by the list owner.
>>
>> You might have asked to subscribe or unsubscribe an address other than
>> the one that appears in the headers of your mail message.
>>
>>When the list owner approves your request, you will be notified.
>>
>>If you have any questions about the policy of the list owner, please
>>contact "recode-approval@autonomous.org".
>>
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Majordomo@autonomous.org
Mail 7: Wow - recode comes alive at 3.42pm with a posting from Jules.
Which includes the original post that I made on behalf of
netwurker after she had been unsubbed by Jules.
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:42:57 +1000
>To: recode@autonomous.org
>From: Julianne Pierce <jules@autonomous.org>
>Subject: Re: :::recode::: [Col][Lab8 [C]Logging: Agency of The
> N][arratively fractured][etwurk
>Sender: owner-recode@autonomous.org
>Reply-To: Julianne Pierce <jules@autonomous.org>
>X-majordomo-version: 1.94.4
>
>HI Mez,
>
>sorry to upset you...as you know I like your work. but I personally
>find and others on the list find your method of distribution is
>becoming quite annoying. All those cross postings etc...recode isn't
>a space for you to be developing your projects...it's a discussion
>list, and you should have got the jist of that a long time ago. I'm
>happy to s'cribe you again, only if you are happy for me (or if you
>re-post) what you have written below.
>
>Perhaps I should have consulted you about un'scribing you...but
>there have been numerous discussions to date on the list about
>cross-postings and spamming...and I did warn earlier that people
>that abused the list would be unsubscribed.
>
>I'm happy to open this up to the list,
>
>cheers Jules
>
>>**********************************
>>At 11:35 AM 30/03/01 +1000, you wrote:
>>>X-Sender: netwurker@hotkey.net.au
>>>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:58:57 +1000
>>>To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net, recode@autonomous.org, list@rhizome.org,
>>> syndicate@eg-r.isp-eg.de
>>>From: "Phonet][r][ix" <netwurker@hotkey.net.au>
>>>Subject: :::recode::: ][Col][Lab7 Logging: Agency of The N][arratively
>>>fractured][etwurk
>>>Sender: owner-recode@autonomous.org
>>>Reply-To: "Phonet][r][ix" <netwurker@hotkey.net.au>
>>>X-majordomo-version: 1.94.4
>>>Status:
>>>
>>>
>>>:::recode::: subscribers would have received this email probably 3 or
>>>4 times in the last couple of days.
>>>
>>>due to the extensive cross postings, syndicate, nettime and rhizome
>>>also would have received multiple copies.
>>>
>>>this sort of spamming is getting pretty boring, and the perpetrators
>>>have been unsubscribed from this list.
>>>
>>>There has been much discussion about abuse of lists, and people
>>>should be very careful about why and how they australian and
>>>international lists.
>>>
>>>cheers Jules
>>>
>>
>>dear jules,
>>
>>i'm not sure if you even attempted to read the contents of the so-called
>>spam mails i have been sending. firstly, the mails are not the identical,
>>and have been changing due to the responses that my call to contribute has
>>engendered. as it has been a part of a international collaborative net.wurk
>>that has evolved via the lists over the past few days, its very
>>disappointing to have this reaction, especially to be unsubbed without you
>>enquiring as to the nature of the postings.
>>
>>the contributors now include:
>>
>>.Phonet][r][ix <netwurker@hotkey.net.au>+
>>.Beatrice Beaubien <i2eye@mac.com>++
>>.Barbara Steinberg <barbara@panix.com>+websociology@yahoogroups.com+
>>.susan_katz_nyc <revere1955@msn.com>__
>>.Jorge Luiz Antonio <jlantonio@uol.com.br>-+--
>>.Tony Green <tgreen@clear.net.nz>+---
>>.Ted Warnell <warnell@memlane.com>-..//+
>>.Frater Tendai <mblankenhagen@synapplix.de> <<<>>>>
>>.morning glory <glory@ntlworld.com> ()
>>.Anna Geyer <Anna.Geyer@gawler.sa.gov.au> [ ]-
>>.Talan Memmott <@percepticon.com>- -
>>.James Allan <james@teleportacia.org> .
>>.Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com>( o )..
>>.darko fritz <fritz.d@chello.nl>
>>.frederic madre <fmadre@pop.wanadoo.fr>
>>
>>in future maybe pursue a more communicative approach to anything you find
>>troublesome or detrimental to the lists functioning.
>>
>>in ][profound][ disappointment,
>>mez
>>
>>***************************
>>
>>
>>
>>jules,
>>
>>another response to this so-called spam attack...am curious as to why there
>>was no attempt made to contact me personally as to the contents/intent of
>>the net.wurk entitled "][Col][Lab8 Logging: Agency of The N][arratively
>>fractured][etwurk"? being familar as you are with my work, i would have
>>assumed that a brief mail was warranted, or actually even sent out of
>>simple courtesy.
>>
>>i'd like to request that i be resubbed to recode immediately, so that
>>issues such as this can be discussed according to the dynamics of the list
>>itself and not blanket-censored without any type of open
>>communication effort.
>>
>>again, disappointed beyond belief,
>>mez
>>
>>
>>****************
>>
>>
>>jules,
>>
>>just thought i'd repost yr own mail in regards to a previous attempt to
>>unsubscribe me from recode due to the "unsuitability" of my work.
>>
>>i am curious as to the turnaround in your position?
>>
>>*****************************************
>>>X-Sender: jules@systemx.autonomous.org
>>>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:55:21 +1100
>>>To: recode@autonomous.org
>>>From: jules@autonomous.org (Julianne Pierce)
>>>Subject: Re: :::recode:::[webartery] RE_complaint
>>>Sender: owner-recode@autonomous.org
>>>Reply-To: jules@autonomous.org (Julianne Pierce)
>>>X-majordomo-version: 1.94.4
>>>
>>>Hi Vicki,
>>>
>>>thanks for raising your concerns about what sort of data is posted on
>>>:::recode:::, and in fact what the aim of :::recode::: actually is. Yes
>>>it's true that is does hum along at a low level for most of the time, with
>>>occasional bursts of activity. In comparison to a list like nettime, which
>>>is extremely busy, :::recode::: is very quiet, but then again, it is a much
>>>smaller list, with about 200 subscribers.
>>>
>>>Even though the list has been set up for discussion and information, I
>>>think that it is fairly open about what can be posted. There is no
>>>moderation of the list, I act as an administrator, and do not filter out
>>>any postings. I can understand that mezandwalt's postings might seem out of
>>>place on the list, but I would not like to unsubscribe them, as I think
>>>that their work reacts and responds to all sorts of traffic on the net.
>>>Even though it is some sort of data stream of consciousness, it seems to me
>>>an attempt to interpret data flows, code, digits etc. The one thing that is
>>>pretty annoying though, is that it is cross-posted across a whole lot of
>>>lists. So in fact, the work is not responding to the what goes on at
>>>:::recode:::, rather it is a general burst of mezandwalt across the net.
>>>
>>>So it seems to me that :::recode::: is a vehicle for mezandwalt to get
>>>there work out there, if it is annoying to a lot of recoders, perhaps it is
>>>not the best venue for their work. Otherwise the delete button is always
>>>the personalised receiver option...
>>>
>>>cheers, Jules
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>. . .... .....
>> net.wurk][.Phonet][r][ix][
>> n.sert no here xXXx
>> +
>> www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker
>>.... . .??? .......
>>-
>># distributed via :::recode::: no commercial use without permission
>># :::recode::: a mailing list for digital interrogation.
>># more info: majordomo@autonomous.org & "info recode" in the msg body
>># URL: http://systemx.autonomous.org/recode/
>># contact: owner-recode@autonomous.org
>
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>-
># distributed via :::recode::: no commercial use without permission
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