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Subj:    Re: [eryksalvaggiosucks] New Prose for the Genius 2000 Network by 
Eryk Salvaggio
Date:   1/1/2001 4:54:45 AM Central Standard Time
From:   af19protobofh {AT} earthlink.net (Luke Sutton)
Reply-to:   <A HREF="mailto:af19protobofh {AT} earthlink.net">
af19protobofh {AT} earthlink.net</A> (Luke Sutton)
To: nmherman {AT} aol.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Affiliate19 
  To: maxgenius {AT} g2k.com
  Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 2:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [eryksalvaggiosucks] New Prose for the Genius 2000 Network by 
Eryk Salvaggio


  Have you been reading through the scripture heavily, or just interweaved 
the bits you found interesting? I think you would find Ephisians fascinating 
if you have not found it yet. Paul made Ephesus a center of evangelism there 
for around 3 or 4 years I think. It was one of the most popular churches 
there in years... He takes what I thought was a completely philosophical look 
at Christianity of the time, putting much more research into human 
individuality and freedom of thought (a god-given blessing), and claiming 
God's faith in *us* as being able to manifest our our destiny. He emphasizes 
salvation as being the basis of Christianity above all else - but more 
interesting is that that salvation may be symbolized in any number of things 
which may not particularly be Christ...

  Maybe even one's self (ourselves being an idol made in Christ's image). 
Genius. Who the fuck knows though, huh?
   
  I finished the transcripts a few weeks ago. I think a lot of it was 
probably lost on me. I think if I thought about that too much though... well, 
it wouldn't be worth thinking about.

  I wish I didn't think about it so long before I wrote you.

  "Genius2K is an influential look into the simplicity that is the power of 
the *cough* layman and what their place holds today, and even beyond the 
millennium: Genius2K is, simply, what the name implies."

  [email for the tape today]

  After sending the following back to a friend, I thought you might get a 
kick out of it. Laugh at it, piss on it,  or appreciate it... So one year 
later approx., where are things for the G2K network? Is it where you 
planned/didn't plan? There is a shameless promotion for G2K somewhere in the 
mix below... I wish you luck in future projects, and hope you will keep 
affiliate19 {AT} yahoo.com informed of them. I read somewhere that engagement was 
like winning a game of chess (or something like that). But I don't engage 
much these days... I'm thankful for folks like Max Herman who do for the rest 
of us, and hope you will keep me informed of updates within the network 
regardless.

  -luke
  "He told me to fuck off once. I sold a copy of the e-mail for 20$. (chorus) 
Oh yeah, I sold it for 20$."

  PS - If you're the reason Eryk lost faith... fuck you. If you've shown him 
the light, bravo. If you are him, impressive. If you don't really care, 
cheers. If you've influenced someone to stop making art, based on the rest of 
the worlds obsession with consumer avantgarde design...

  good luck in the afterlife. You fucked up big time, Messiah-d00d.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "C C" <treibes99 {AT} yahoo.com>
  To: "Luke Sutton" <af19protobofh {AT} earthlink.net>
  Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 10:40 PM
  Subject: Re: look: a reply.
   
  Corey!

  Thank you for this. I always love seeing people write.

  This kind of got me thinking though... Is it really so easy to just enjoy a 
fear of
  life (or work towards an honorable one?)? I'm not sure when it happened, but
  somewhere along the last year or two, all of the bad things in the world
  just became backlit by enormous strobe lights - never long enough to 
pinpoint, but loud enough to know they are there. So many horrible truths
  happening in the world that are ignored (or just not known about by the
  general American populace).

  See, death I don't really think about at all. But I still think it deserves 
some
  respect ;)

  I was being honest when I said I hoped all of the things I feel right now go
  away by 25. Maybe it's just some sort of loss of innocence that happens to
  everyone my age. Suddenly, everything is so... big. But right now, I've got 
this amazing fascination with the
  macabre to fill the space, and I don't know how it quite got there. Being 
into Goth and industrial (kind of) at 16 was more teen angst... this?
  This sucks much worse. Among other things, because I can't really describe
  it in specific terms. I worry that even if I were the most virtuous avatar
  in existence... my effect on the decay of the world society around me would
  be nil. To me, the really fucked up shit in life just sort of seems like a
  slide show... too far off to be felt. In a nutshell, that concept has me
  reeling in insignificance.
   
  You're Christian, Corey (Or Cyrano??). What Would Jesus Do, feeling so lost 
and confused? Or did he ever? I wonder if we're all Jesus sometimes, with the 
ability to subvert Death and all behind it. Maybe we're all immortal through 
our deeds, and what we leave behind. Reminds me of some stuff I read not too 
long ago at www.geocities.com/~genius2000. But not exactly... you'd have to 
see it I guess.

  Me, I think we're all Christian *and* Cyrano... an hapless confusion of 
what is right, and what is prettiest. Out ensuing internal struggles are the 
quarrels between them.
  People die every day in hopeless situations, and blind rebellion. And here,
  me, worrying about funding for my next semester of school seems critical.
  And here, kids, taking the wrong paths in life for hopeless acceptance and
  blind rebellion... smoking in bathroom stalls, someone noted once...

  I'm carrying guilt and sorrow for people and places I'll never see in my
  lifetime... I know intrinsically I'll never do anything in my life to change
  those situations either. Why does that bother me so much?? 

  It's just about New Year's... MTV claims 7 minutes in NYC... Christ...

  Any resolutions? Better think quick fuck-o.

  -luke

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Candice Cunningham" <treibes99 {AT} yahoo.com>
  To: "Luke Sutton" <af19protobofh {AT} earthlink.net>
  Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 10:40 PM
  Subject: Re: look: a reply.


  Behold the darkness that is my life
  Behold the decay that destroys it
  Behold the fear that allows it
  Look at death over in the corner,
  hiding and laughing at me.
  For it is a bigger coward than I.
  Scared of people it is
  as powerful as it is
  it cowers in the corner fearing light
  waiting until weakness overcomes
  until defenses are down.
  Yay yay, I call out to it
  Nay nay it responds mockingly.
  I know that by wanting death, it prolongs me.
  Like Cyrano, I stand not afraid of death,
  but of life...
  Of truth of feelings...
  of confessing all of one's sins...
  Come out, Death! I'll kill you too!

  __________________________________________________
  Do You Yahoo!?
  Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online!
  http://photos.yahoo.com/



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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: 
  <A HREF="mailto:affiliate19 {AT} yahoo.com">Affiliate19</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A HREF="gopher://maxgenius {AT} g2k.com">
maxgenius {AT} g2k.com</A></DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 2:29 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: [eryksalvaggiosucks] New 
  Prose for the Genius 2000 Network by Eryk Salvaggio</DIV>
  <DIV>
</DIV>  <DIV>Have you been reading through the scripture   heavily, or just 
interweaved the bits you found interesting? I think you would   find 
Ephisians fascinating if you have not found it yet. Paul made Ephesus a   
center of evangelism there for around 3 or 4 years I think. It was one of   
the most popular churches there in years... He takes what I thought was a   
completely philosophical look at Christianity of the time, putting much   
more research into human individuality and freedom of thought (a   god-given 
blessing), and claiming God's faith in *us* as being able to   manifest our 
our destiny. He emphasizes salvation as being the basis of   Christianity 
above all else - but more interesting is that that salvation may   be 
symbolized in any number of things which may not particularly be   
Christ...</DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>Maybe even one's self (ourselves being an 
idol   made in Christ's image). Genius. Who the fuck knows though, huh?</DIV> 
 <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>I finished the transcripts a few weeks ago. I   think a 
lot of it was probably lost on me. I think if I thought about that too   much 
though... well, it wouldn't be worth thinking about.</DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  
<DIV>I wish I didn't think about it so long before I   wrote you.</DIV>  
<DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>"Genius2K is an influential look into the   simplicity 
that is the power of the *cough* layman and what their place holds   today, 
and even beyond the millennium: Genius2K is, simply, what the name   
implies."</DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>[email for the tape today]</DIV>  <DIV> 
</DIV>  <DIV>After sending the following back to a friend, I   thought you 
might get a kick out of it. Laugh at it, piss on it,  or   appreciate it... 
So one year later approx., where are things for the G2K   network? Is it 
where you planned/didn't plan? There is a shameless promotion   for G2K 
somewhere in the mix below... I wish you luck in future projects, and   hope 
you will keep <A HREF="mailto:affiliate19 {AT} yahoo.com">affiliate19 {AT} yahoo.com</A>
 informed of   them. I read somewhere that engagement was like winning a game 
of chess (or   something like that). But I don't engage much these days... 
I'm thankful for   folks like Max Herman who do for the rest of us, and hope 
you will keep me   informed of updates within the network regardless.</DIV>  
<DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>-luke</DIV>  <DIV>"He told me to fuck off once. I sold a 
copy of   the e-mail for 20$. (chorus) Oh yeah, I sold it for 20$."</DIV>  
<DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>PS - If you're the reason Eryk lost faith... fuck   you. 
If you've shown him the light, bravo. If you are him, impressive. If you   
don't really care, cheers. If you've influenced someone to stop making art,   
based on the rest of the worlds obsession with consumer avantgarde   
design...</DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>good luck in the afterlife. You fucked up 
big   time, Messiah-d00d.</DIV>  <DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>----- Original 
Message -----   <DIV>From: "C C" <<A HREF="mailto:treibes99 {AT} yahoo.com">
treibes99 {AT} yahoo.com</A>></DIV>  <DIV>To: "Luke Sutton" <<A 
HREF="mailto:af19protobofh {AT} earthlink.net">af19protobofh {AT} earthlink.net</A>>
</DIV>  <DIV>Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 10:40 PM</DIV>  <DIV>Subject: 
Re: look: a reply.</DIV>  <DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV>  <DIV>Corey!

Thank you for this. I always love   seeing people write.

This kind of got me thinking though... Is it   really so easy to just enjoy a 
fear of
life (or work towards an honorable   one?)? I'm not sure when it happened, but
somewhere along the last year or   two, all of the bad things in the world
just became backlit by enormous   strobe lights - never long enough to 
pinpoint, but loud enough to know they   are there. So many horrible truths
happening in the world that are ignored   (or just not known about by the
general American populace).

See,   death I don't really think about at all. But I still think it deserves 
  some
respect ;)

I was being honest when I said I hoped all of the   things I feel right now go
away by 25. Maybe it's just some sort of loss of   innocence that happens to
everyone my age. Suddenly, everything is so...   big. But right now, I've got 
this amazing fascination with the
macabre to   fill the space, and I don't know how it quite got there. Being 
into Goth and   industrial (kind of) at 16 was more teen angst... this?
This sucks much   worse. Among other things, because I can't really describe
it in specific   terms. I worry that even if I were the most virtuous avatar
in existence...   my effect on the decay of the world society around me would
be nil. To me,   the really fucked up shit in life just sort of seems like a
slide show...   too far off to be felt. In a nutshell, that concept has me
reeling in   insignificance.</DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>You're Christian, 
Corey (Or Cyrano??). What Would   Jesus Do, feeling so lost and confused? Or 
did he ever? I wonder if we're all   Jesus sometimes, with the ability to 
subvert Death and all behind it. Maybe   we're all immortal through our 
deeds, and what we leave behind. Reminds me of   some stuff I read not too 
long ago at <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/~genius2000">
www.geocities.com/~genius2000</A>.   But not exactly... you'd have to see it 
I guess.

Me, I think we're   all Christian *and* Cyrano... an hapless confusion of 
what is right, and what   is prettiest. Out ensuing internal struggles are 
the quarrels between   them.</DIV>  <DIV>People die every day in hopeless 
situations, and   blind rebellion. And here,
me, worrying about funding for my next semester   of school seems critical.
And here, kids, taking the wrong paths in life   for hopeless acceptance and
blind rebellion... smoking in bathroom stalls,   someone noted once...

I'm carrying guilt and sorrow for people and   places I'll never see in my
lifetime... I know intrinsically I'll never do   anything in my life to change
those situations either. Why does that bother   me so much?? 

It's just about New Year's... MTV claims 7 minutes in   NYC... Christ...

Any resolutions? Better think quick   fuck-o.

-luke

----- Original Message -----
From: "Candice   Cunningham" <<A HREF="mailto:treibes99 {AT} yahoo.com">
treibes99 {AT} yahoo.com</A>>
To: "Luke   Sutton" <<A HREF="mailto:af19protobofh {AT} earthlink.net">
af19protobofh {AT} earthlink.net</A>>
Sent:   Sunday, December 31, 2000 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: look: a   reply.


Behold the darkness that is my life
Behold the decay that   destroys it
Behold the fear that allows it
Look at death over in the   corner,
hiding and laughing at me.
For it is a bigger coward than   I.
Scared of people it is
as powerful as it is
it cowers in the   corner fearing light
waiting until weakness overcomes
until defenses are   down.
Yay yay, I call out to it
Nay nay it responds mockingly.
I know   that by wanting death, it prolongs me.
Like Cyrano, I stand not afraid of   death,
but of life...
Of truth of feelings...
of confessing all of   one's sins...
Come out, Death! I'll kill you   too!

__________________________________________________
Do You   Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online!
<A HREF="http://photos.yahoo.com/">http://photos.yahoo.com/</A>

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