josephine bosma on 19 Oct 2000 09:44:38 -0000 |
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I don't have time to go into this at length right now, but I would like to point at something which disturbs me. As some of you know nettime has gone through a lot of struggle internally, as to whether it should be moderated and how, and as to who does the moderation. This resulted, after two to three years of squabbling, in the making of an un-moderated version of nettime: nettime-bold. This list is supposed to be the rough or raw version of nettime, yet it is something else, as I am slowly discovering. It became clear when nettime-bold was initiated that the bold list had a very special feature: it is not connected to the moderated list. If you send to the main nettime-l@bbs.thing.net adress, your mail is supposed to land in both the nettime-bold list and in the moderators mailbox. When replying to nettime bold however, your mail goes to an entirely different adress, and the moderators don't have to bother with it. This way the raw list does not ever interact with the moderated list, it can not technically, unless of course one is clever enough to always reply to the bbs.thing adress. Now it turns out that the bold list has many many hick ups, that are not fixed or take ages to fix. There is simply no incoming mail, or mail gets somehow routed past it by the moderators. Because I have no time to constantly read the moderated nettime archive online (lets not even mention the bold archive: it was constructed in such a fashion that reading it is nearly impossible), it took me a while to discover (through forwarded mails etc) that there is an entire layers of nettime posts that NEVER reaches the bold list. Here are some examples I just found on the rhizome raw list, sent there by Rolux: Geert Lovink reports from the net.congestion streaming media festival http://www.nettime.org/nettime.w3archive/200010/msg00101.html Tetsuo Kogawa Two or Three Things I Know About Streaming Media http://www.nettime.org/nettime.w3archive/200010/msg00103.html Micz Flor İROSS-İODEC-İOMPATIBILITY http://www.nettime.org/nettime.w3archive/200010/msg00110.html Ulrich Gutmair The Net Is Not the Club http://www.nettime.org/nettime.w3archive/200010/msg00114.html Martin Conrads 2000 Years of Convex tv. http://www.nettime.org/nettime.w3archive/200010/msg00129.html When clicking on these entries in the nettime archive you can see they were posted during a period the nettime bold list seemed to be functioning normally, yet they never appeared there. I would appreciate it very much if the nettime moderator and technical crew would shed some clarity publically on how they see both the moderated and the raw nettime list, what list members can expect from these, and what say/voice list members have in the development of both lists. regards J * _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://www.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold